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Old 08-30-2017, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Citation X View Post
I have an ERJ class date at the end of this month. I was really looking forward to flying up there. What's the general consensus? Are they going to cancel my class? Are the jets going to resume delivery? I really didn't want to look elsewhere.
I'm interested to hear what the consensus is here as well. I interviewed clear back in June and 10/09 was the first jet class I was able to get. Doesn't seem like they're having all that much trouble making that airframe appealing. Nor does it seem like e can't staff 13 jets. As stated earlier.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd View Post
So does that mean QX will only get 25 ERJ's total now?? Think it was 30 before this...
We are contractually supposed to receive 33 jets.
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Old 08-30-2017, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JRReaume View Post
I'm interested to hear what the consensus is here as well. I interviewed clear back in June and 10/09 was the first jet class I was able to get. Doesn't seem like they're having all that much trouble making that airframe appealing. Nor does it seem like e can't staff 13 jets. As stated earlier.
As far as I know if you have a class date right now you should (SHOULD) not be affected. If something changes you will be notified. This delivery deferral will affect 5 airframes that are supposed to be delivered to us before the end of the year.

If management is being honest and saying they are swapping delivery dates with OO and not ORDERS then it's not going to change much. It all depends on our management sharing truthful information with us and we all know Qx managements reputation. We just don't know at this moment.

The craziest thing that has happened here is upgrade running at 2.5 years in September to 5 months in October (i.e. 1000 121). The company was imposing a 1000 company hour requirement in September and dropped it to 0 for october. Funny what management will do when they risk losing revenue.
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Old 08-30-2017, 10:33 PM
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An email was sent out by the head of flight ops (in addition to a posting on the internal website from Dave Campbell) saying that IBT jumped the gun, and the actual plan is to defer those deliveries until next year.

At this point, it appears no one actually knows what's going on here.
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Old 08-31-2017, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores View Post
We are contractually supposed to receive 33 jets.
Plus 50% of the options.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:06 PM
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Hornibrook suffers from an entitlement mentality our union can communicate any damn time they seem fit. More crap coming to pilots this place has real issues
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cactusflyer View Post

At this point, it appears no one actually knows what's going on here.
I suspect the EXCO knows...

Fellow Pilots,
As your elected EXCO, we have done everything in our abilities to make and maintain agreements with Horizon, all the while being under threat that all our flying will evaporate and go to SkyWest if we don’t accede to Horizon management’s latest demands. Last night, Mr. Hornibrook wrote you and stated that: “The IBT decided, unilaterally, to communicate with you.” Well, yes we did, guilty as charged! That’s our job! We wonder if ALPA seeks Mr. Hornibrook’s approval before sending communications to their members at Alaska? We doubt very much they do. His statement illustrates the fundamental problem that exists at Horizon.

The fundamental issues we have as your representatives are these facts:
1. We entered into a concessionary agreement in exchange for Firm Deliveries of ERJ-175 aircraft.

2. We have now been told those Firm Deliveries will not come in OCT-NOV or DEC, at least.

3. Our Firm deliveries are associated with serial numbers and delivery slots.

4. We were told at various times by management that these Firm Deliveries were:
a. Given to SkyWest in exchange for unknown future Firm Deliveries;
b.Exchanged with SkyWest, for unknown “slots” in the future.
c. Leased to SkyWest by Alaska Air Group for a short period of time.
d. Or, as put in Mr. Hornibrook’s letter just “deferred.
5. We have demanded the company provide us with paperwork and contracts to show what they are doing as we are entitled to under our CBA; they have refused.

6. Last week Mr. Hornibrook told us he believed we would be back up to speed on the ERJ- 175 by the end of this year, in the letter to you last night he states it will now be the end of 2018.

We know that the company is short –staffed, “screwed up” (in their words), sold or cancelled sim slots, had a Vice President, who remaining executives’ say had difficulty telling the truth, didn’t hire check airmen and until June insisted there was no pilot shortage, etc., all in a misguided effort to enhance Alaska Air Group’s bottom line.

What we needed was an honest broker in Mr. Campbell, to come to us the minute he knew they were unable to staff the jets and work with us and find a consensual solution. He did not. Now they can only rely on trying to make your representatives, or better, the “IBT” out to be the “bad guys” in this affair. We are over it.

On Tuesday night, instead of granting us access to the information we demanded, (they had promised), we received an email from an Alaska Airline’s attorney giving us a link to publically available and heavily redacted SEC data and technical reasons as to why that was all we will be given. Transparent indeed.

We are left with very few options at this point, but will continue to keep you in the loop, and yes, unilaterally communicate with you.
Fraternally your EXCO.
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:17 PM
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A Complaint was filed by Teamsters today demanding injunctive relief and declaration of violation of our 2016 CBA.

AAG cannot just violate a legal contract without consequences.
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:33 PM
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Every contract has an out for non-performance. Horizon, for whatever reasons, has manifestly been failing to perform. AAG is quite unhappy that Horizon is dragging down the brand. "Brand" is of the utmost importance to Alaska, it is all that they have to fend off Delta. Deferring deliveries is an obvious, and undoubtedly necessary, remedy in the short term. This will give you some time to fix staffing and performance problems. The reason they are not forthcoming with specifics is undoubtedly because they are dependent upon Horizon resolving it's issues.

When Horizon has adequate staffing and acceptable performance, more aircraft will be forthcoming. In six months, if the problems aren't fixed, expect more deferrals. Eventually, AAG will pull the plug.

You've got maybe a year.

Horizon's pilots are in no way at fault for this situation, but beligerant actions by the union are likely counter productive.
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonneaux View Post
Every contract has an out for non-performance. Horizon, for whatever reasons, has manifestly been failing to perform. AAG is quite unhappy that Horizon is dragging down the brand. "Brand" is of the utmost importance to Alaska, it is all that they have to fend off Delta. Deferring deliveries is an obvious, and undoubtedly necessary, remedy in the short term. This will give you some time to fix staffing and performance problems. The reason they are not forthcoming with specifics is undoubtedly because they are dependent upon Horizon resolving it's issues.

When Horizon has adequate staffing and acceptable performance, more aircraft will be forthcoming. In six months, if the problems aren't fixed, expect more deferrals. Eventually, AAG will pull the plug.

You've got maybe a year.

Horizon's pilots are in no way at fault for this situation, but beligerant actions by the union are likely counter productive.
You call it belligerent, but what good is the union if they let the aag blatantly violate the contract? This whole debacle is due to AAG hiring people who ran the company into the ground and now AAG is trying to get a pass.
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