What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
#2191
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I'm starting to doubt the long-term future of jets at QX. I could very easily see rolling announcements of "just a few more" until there are none left.
#2193
It's likely skywest could get all our remaining jets.
First the company said they were deferring 5 delivery orders. Then they said we will have 23 jets by the end of 2018. Today management says OO has signed 10 jets in a CPA agreement, but we will have now have 30 jets in 2020.
They literally cannot keep their story straight for more than a day, and cannot be trusted.
I can see them giving all future deliveries to OO slowly over time as they keep saying "we didn't meet our staffing requirements to take additional airframes."
Exciting times for OO indeed.
First the company said they were deferring 5 delivery orders. Then they said we will have 23 jets by the end of 2018. Today management says OO has signed 10 jets in a CPA agreement, but we will have now have 30 jets in 2020.
They literally cannot keep their story straight for more than a day, and cannot be trusted.
I can see them giving all future deliveries to OO slowly over time as they keep saying "we didn't meet our staffing requirements to take additional airframes."
Exciting times for OO indeed.
#2194
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,476
It's likely skywest could get all our remaining jets.
First the company said they were deferring 5 delivery orders. Then they said we will have 23 jets by the end of 2018. Today management says OO has signed 10 jets in a CPA agreement, but we will have now have 30 jets in 2020.
They literally cannot keep their story straight for more than a day, and cannot be trusted.
I can see them giving all future deliveries to OO slowly over time as they keep saying "we didn't meet our staffing requirements to take additional airframes."
Exciting times for OO indeed.
First the company said they were deferring 5 delivery orders. Then they said we will have 23 jets by the end of 2018. Today management says OO has signed 10 jets in a CPA agreement, but we will have now have 30 jets in 2020.
They literally cannot keep their story straight for more than a day, and cannot be trusted.
I can see them giving all future deliveries to OO slowly over time as they keep saying "we didn't meet our staffing requirements to take additional airframes."
Exciting times for OO indeed.
#2195
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 12
It's likely skywest could get all our remaining jets.
First the company said they were deferring 5 delivery orders. Then they said we will have 23 jets by the end of 2018. Today management says OO has signed 10 jets in a CPA agreement, but we will have now have 30 jets in 2020.
They literally cannot keep their story straight for more than a day, and cannot be trusted.
I can see them giving all future deliveries to OO slowly over time as they keep saying "we didn't meet our staffing requirements to take additional airframes."
Exciting times for OO indeed.
First the company said they were deferring 5 delivery orders. Then they said we will have 23 jets by the end of 2018. Today management says OO has signed 10 jets in a CPA agreement, but we will have now have 30 jets in 2020.
They literally cannot keep their story straight for more than a day, and cannot be trusted.
I can see them giving all future deliveries to OO slowly over time as they keep saying "we didn't meet our staffing requirements to take additional airframes."
Exciting times for OO indeed.
#2196
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,202
IMHO I think you all have it wrong. I think you'll get your 33 jets as promised, when you can staff them. The airframes being awarded now are subtracting from the 30 options you were given. Your deliveries are deferred but not taken away. (Disclaimer; my exact numbers might be off) No one is in default of a contract. As far as your delivery contract I have no idea, but there are always loopholes only lawyers understand.
#2197
Posted on the AAG website:
Alaska Airlines is taking steps to manage the near term regional flying needs of our guests, while Horizon Air executes its recovery plan to hire and train the pilots it needs for the long term.
To help fly additional high-growth markets for Alaska, SkyWest today announced an order for 10 new Embraer E175 jets, five of which were previously announced during Alaska’s Q2 earnings. The total number of aircraft that SkyWest will operate for Alaska will be 30 in 2018. Alaska is considering contracting with SkyWest for five additional jets that would be flown in our network on a longer-term basis.
SkyWest will be helping Alaska in its efforts to grow its presence on the West Coast, and is also picking up some short-term flying on Alaska’s network with CRJ-200s, said John Kirby, vice president, capacity planning.
As previously announced, Horizon is deferring delivery of six E175 jets until later in 2018, when the airline expects to have a sufficient number of pilots hired and trained.
Air Group’s commitment to purchase 30 E175 aircraft for Horizon Air remains unchanged.
“Horizon has picked up the pace in pilot recruitment and training, but it’s not enough to resolve this issue without impacting our guests in the near term,” said John Hornibrook, Horizon’s vice president, flight operations. “These changes give us time to ramp up our recruiting and training efforts so we can get back on course.”
Alaska is also going to make adjustments to reduce Horizon’s fall and winter schedule, with an eye toward exiting underperforming markets, making adjustments to seasonal flying, and thinning the schedule in some high-frequency Horizon markets.
“We’re simply slowing things down to catch up on pilot hiring and training, because we don’t have enough pilots to fly the aircraft we have today,” said Horizon President and CEO Dave Campbell. “To give some perspective, we’ve hired 189 pilots, but lost 111 mostly to mainline carriers.”
Campbell said hiring and training has accelerated at Horizon, “but the reality is that it’s going to take time to fully staff the ranks of our line pilots. These changes give us the time we need as we continue to ramp up our recruiting and training efforts, while reducing the inconvenience for our guests.”
Good luck with that. You just killed off any incentive for a new hire to come here now.
Alaska Airlines is taking steps to manage the near term regional flying needs of our guests, while Horizon Air executes its recovery plan to hire and train the pilots it needs for the long term.
To help fly additional high-growth markets for Alaska, SkyWest today announced an order for 10 new Embraer E175 jets, five of which were previously announced during Alaska’s Q2 earnings. The total number of aircraft that SkyWest will operate for Alaska will be 30 in 2018. Alaska is considering contracting with SkyWest for five additional jets that would be flown in our network on a longer-term basis.
SkyWest will be helping Alaska in its efforts to grow its presence on the West Coast, and is also picking up some short-term flying on Alaska’s network with CRJ-200s, said John Kirby, vice president, capacity planning.
As previously announced, Horizon is deferring delivery of six E175 jets until later in 2018, when the airline expects to have a sufficient number of pilots hired and trained.
Air Group’s commitment to purchase 30 E175 aircraft for Horizon Air remains unchanged.
“Horizon has picked up the pace in pilot recruitment and training, but it’s not enough to resolve this issue without impacting our guests in the near term,” said John Hornibrook, Horizon’s vice president, flight operations. “These changes give us time to ramp up our recruiting and training efforts so we can get back on course.”
Alaska is also going to make adjustments to reduce Horizon’s fall and winter schedule, with an eye toward exiting underperforming markets, making adjustments to seasonal flying, and thinning the schedule in some high-frequency Horizon markets.
“We’re simply slowing things down to catch up on pilot hiring and training, because we don’t have enough pilots to fly the aircraft we have today,” said Horizon President and CEO Dave Campbell. “To give some perspective, we’ve hired 189 pilots, but lost 111 mostly to mainline carriers.”
Campbell said hiring and training has accelerated at Horizon, “but the reality is that it’s going to take time to fully staff the ranks of our line pilots. These changes give us the time we need as we continue to ramp up our recruiting and training efforts, while reducing the inconvenience for our guests.”
#2199
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Aren't "options" also sold or traded by the companies that hold them to other companies that may want to exercise them more immediately. Beside the 100 orders, skw had 100 options and basically those represent a position in the production line if I understand correctly , and some of those have been sold to other companies at a profit. Whose to say whether or not the two companies are trading options.
#2200
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Aren't "options" also sold or traded by the companies that hold them to other companies that may want to exercise them more immediately. Beside the 100 orders, skw had 100 options and basically those represent a position in the production line if I understand correctly , and some of those have been sold to other companies at a profit. Whose to say whether or not the two companies are trading options.
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