What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
10-18-2017, 07:10 AM
#2611
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Originally Posted by Jonneaux
This. ^
I wish we would get CAT 3.
The weather cancels don’t actually count against us (or anyone) as they are considered uncontrollable. The decision to cancel a flight due to a weather delay come down from AAG.
I wish we would get CAT 3.
The weather cancels don’t actually count against us (or anyone) as they are considered uncontrollable. The decision to cancel a flight due to a weather delay come down from AAG.
Do you really think bean counters don’t notice that Horizon could complete the flight and you can’t?
Heck, if you could just get your RNP stuff together, you could be doing winter Juneau work for Delta. Delta would rather pull out entirely rather than accept the abysmal reliability you were giving us.
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10-18-2017, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
They aren’t uncontrollable if someone else (Horizon) can do them. Yes, Skywest still gets paid and it doesn’t necessarily count against your metric. The reason Alaska cancels the flights is so things doesn’t snowball into the rest of the day.
Do you really think bean counters don’t notice that Horizon could complete the flight and you can’t?
Heck, if you could just get your RNP stuff together, you could be doing winter Juneau work for Delta. Delta would rather pull out entirely rather than accept the abysmal reliability you were giving us.
Do you really think bean counters don’t notice that Horizon could complete the flight and you can’t?
Heck, if you could just get your RNP stuff together, you could be doing winter Juneau work for Delta. Delta would rather pull out entirely rather than accept the abysmal reliability you were giving us.
Alaska and Delta both contract for a product. That currently doesn’t include RNP or CAT III. Everything comes with a price.
Thus far, the “bean counters” have determined that the cost outweighs the benefit. If they want it, they will get it. RNP is in the works.
10-18-2017, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonneaux
Weather isn’t controllable.
Alaska and Delta both contract for a product. That currently doesn’t include RNP or CAT III. Everything comes with a price.
Thus far, the “bean counters” have determined that the cost outweighs the benefit. If they want it, they will get it. RNP is in the works.
Alaska and Delta both contract for a product. That currently doesn’t include RNP or CAT III. Everything comes with a price.
Thus far, the “bean counters” have determined that the cost outweighs the benefit. If they want it, they will get it. RNP is in the works.
This just helps solidify the case to keep thing in-house for the Alaska Air Group.
10-18-2017, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Well I imagine that once Horizon gets their staffing issues back in order, Skywests lack of CAT 3 and RNP will be considered for future contracts.
This just helps solidify the case to keep thing in-house for the Alaska Air Group.
This just helps solidify the case to keep thing in-house for the Alaska Air Group.
Horizon will never get their staffing issues in order. Decisions have already been made regarding the future of Horizon. The only remaining question is how it will unfold.
10-18-2017, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonneaux
CAT III and RNP are nothing new and the past few days are unremarkable.
Horizon will never get their staffing issues in order. Decisions have already been made regarding the future of Horizon. The only remaining question is how it will unfold.
Horizon will never get their staffing issues in order. Decisions have already been made regarding the future of Horizon. The only remaining question is how it will unfold.
Horizon will be fine...they will still get their jets.
10-18-2017, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
The last few days are remarkable. You are canceling when Horizon wouldn’t be. Every cancellation matters and your lack of low weather ability helps AAG understand that. Just like Juneau for Delta, your lack of reliability will be amount to a deterioration of your cost effectiveness.
Horizon will be fine...they will still get their jets.
Horizon will be fine...they will still get their jets.
10-18-2017, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Enlighten us. Please.
If you were in management and knew that decision had been made, how would you proceed in the short term? What would you tell the employees? What steps would you take?
10-18-2017, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonneaux
What would happen if it were announced that the experiment with the 175 was coming to an end? That Horizon would be shrunk down to about 20 Q400s?
If you were in management and knew that decision had been made, how would you proceed in the short term? What would you tell the employees? What steps would you take?
If you were in management and knew that decision had been made, how would you proceed in the short term? What would you tell the employees? What steps would you take?
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