What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
03-15-2018, 10:37 AM
#3071
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,480
[QUOTE=fivebyfive;2551267]
Lol. You must be new.
Originally Posted by Stinger6
I did not mention anything about the Pathways Program in my post.
I don't think it's an "offer" if I'm already in class.
I was a medical rep for 15 years (between Part 121 gigs...my version of the Lost Decade), and we have a web forum over there called Cafe Pharma. Same bologna as this site...98% *****ing, 2% helpful. Folks (in all industries) lack perspective.
What I said was "Alaska will be fine." What I mean is that in the long run the Air Group will be as profitable as it ever was. Having flown (extensively) on the Slope and in Southeast, jumpseated on combis, and gotten in to places the Alaska 7-3 behind me couldn't, my gut is that the barrier to entry for another carrier is significant. Alaska's route structure and hiring trends may need to contract a bit, but that's not unusual for any large-ish company following a difficult acquisition and merger.[/QUOTE
Nice biography. 98% *****ing? Why are you here? I see a lot of solid accurate information on this forum. You haven’t even been to indoc yet and are telling Horizon pilots they lack perspective?
I don't think it's an "offer" if I'm already in class.
I was a medical rep for 15 years (between Part 121 gigs...my version of the Lost Decade), and we have a web forum over there called Cafe Pharma. Same bologna as this site...98% *****ing, 2% helpful. Folks (in all industries) lack perspective.
What I said was "Alaska will be fine." What I mean is that in the long run the Air Group will be as profitable as it ever was. Having flown (extensively) on the Slope and in Southeast, jumpseated on combis, and gotten in to places the Alaska 7-3 behind me couldn't, my gut is that the barrier to entry for another carrier is significant. Alaska's route structure and hiring trends may need to contract a bit, but that's not unusual for any large-ish company following a difficult acquisition and merger.[/QUOTE
Nice biography. 98% *****ing? Why are you here? I see a lot of solid accurate information on this forum. You haven’t even been to indoc yet and are telling Horizon pilots they lack perspective?
03-15-2018, 02:08 PM
#3072
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by MooneyGuy128
I took at May 24th class date in the Q, I could have had sooner but still finishing up my 1500 hours. I believe another gentlemen that interviewed with us was offered a mid-May date in the E-Jet.
03-20-2018, 08:01 AM
#3074
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I have mentioned this before but everyone has seemed to ignore it. SkyWest has in place an extremely favorable CPA agreement with Alaska Airgroup. This agreement assures them of a very high average stage length for all their E-175 flying they do for Alaska. Horizon has no such assurance in place. I have seen SkyWest do a few short distance flights for Alaska, but the majority of their flying are the long distance flights. Some of you SkyWest guys can correct me if I am wrong, but their trips are averaging between 5 and 6 credit hours a day. On the other hand, while Horizon does have some long distance flying, we also have a lot of inefficient (from a pilot perspective) trips such as a 2 day trip worth 6 credit hours. The reason for this is that the E-175 does not have a min daily guarantee like the Q400’s 4.2 guarantee.
A senior VP at Alaska just posted that higher utilization of the aircraft is really the driver of lower costs. Alaska does not care about QX crew efficiencies. They only care about aircraft utilization and efficiencies. This month, QX will begin receiving our final 23 E-175 aircraft. These aircraft will virtually replace the Q400 on a one for one basis. The majority of the remaining 2/3rds of our E-175s will be doing Q400 flying. Someone is going to have to cover the flying of 25 Q400 aircraft that will be leaving, and I believe that SkyWest’s CPA agreement assures us that it won’t be SkyWest.
If a new pilot wants to have a jet schedule that gives you high credit trips, 19 days off a month and good pay, it looks to me like SkyWest is your best bet. If you want to fly shorter Q400 type routes with a schedule that gives you 13 to 15 days off a month, then come on over to Horizon.
A senior VP at Alaska just posted that higher utilization of the aircraft is really the driver of lower costs. Alaska does not care about QX crew efficiencies. They only care about aircraft utilization and efficiencies. This month, QX will begin receiving our final 23 E-175 aircraft. These aircraft will virtually replace the Q400 on a one for one basis. The majority of the remaining 2/3rds of our E-175s will be doing Q400 flying. Someone is going to have to cover the flying of 25 Q400 aircraft that will be leaving, and I believe that SkyWest’s CPA agreement assures us that it won’t be SkyWest.
If a new pilot wants to have a jet schedule that gives you high credit trips, 19 days off a month and good pay, it looks to me like SkyWest is your best bet. If you want to fly shorter Q400 type routes with a schedule that gives you 13 to 15 days off a month, then come on over to Horizon.
03-20-2018, 08:26 AM
#3075
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 144
Originally Posted by Sikorsky38
I have mentioned this before but everyone has seemed to ignore it. SkyWest has in place an extremely favorable CPA agreement with Alaska Airgroup. This agreement assures them of a very high average stage length for all their E-175 flying they do for Alaska. Horizon has no such assurance in place. I have seen SkyWest do a few short distance flights for Alaska, but the majority of their flying are the long distance flights. Some of you SkyWest guys can correct me if I am wrong, but their trips are averaging between 5 and 6 credit hours a day. On the other hand, while Horizon does have some long distance flying, we also have a lot of inefficient (from a pilot perspective) trips such as a 2 day trip worth 6 credit hours. The reason for this is that the E-175 does not have a min daily guarantee like the Q400’s 4.2 guarantee.
A senior VP at Alaska just posted that higher utilization of the aircraft is really the driver of lower costs. Alaska does not care about QX crew efficiencies. They only care about aircraft utilization and efficiencies. This month, QX will begin receiving our final 23 E-175 aircraft. These aircraft will virtually replace the Q400 on a one for one basis. The majority of the remaining 2/3rds of our E-175s will be doing Q400 flying. Someone is going to have to cover the flying of 25 Q400 aircraft that will be leaving, and I believe that SkyWest’s CPA agreement assures us that it won’t be SkyWest.
If a new pilot wants to have a jet schedule that gives you high credit trips, 19 days off a month and good pay, it looks to me like SkyWest is your best bet. If you want to fly shorter Q400 type routes with a schedule that gives you 13 to 15 days off a month, then come on over to Horizon.
A senior VP at Alaska just posted that higher utilization of the aircraft is really the driver of lower costs. Alaska does not care about QX crew efficiencies. They only care about aircraft utilization and efficiencies. This month, QX will begin receiving our final 23 E-175 aircraft. These aircraft will virtually replace the Q400 on a one for one basis. The majority of the remaining 2/3rds of our E-175s will be doing Q400 flying. Someone is going to have to cover the flying of 25 Q400 aircraft that will be leaving, and I believe that SkyWest’s CPA agreement assures us that it won’t be SkyWest.
If a new pilot wants to have a jet schedule that gives you high credit trips, 19 days off a month and good pay, it looks to me like SkyWest is your best bet. If you want to fly shorter Q400 type routes with a schedule that gives you 13 to 15 days off a month, then come on over to Horizon.
If you are thinking about signing up for the Q400, you will regret it. There are far too many better opportunities out there.
03-20-2018, 09:01 AM
#3076
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SkyWest has a lot of 24-25 hour credit 4 days out of Pdx. I would say most trips on average credit 5-6 hours per day. SkyWest also has 4:12 min gaurentee so a lot of the red eyes Horizon has been doing pay block or better (around 8 hours)for 3 day trips. While SkyWest pilots make minimum 12:36 credit. The duty rigs for QX ERJ are horrible!
03-20-2018, 10:47 AM
#3079
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Originally Posted by N1CEandS1MPLE
Assigned a July 9th class date for the E-Jet. Hearing that the E-Jet is pretty overstaffed right now but how much flying can I expect to get out of training?
03-20-2018, 01:13 PM
#3080
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,480
Originally Posted by Sikorsky38
You will be junior, so you will be getting what everyone else does not want. Most want high credit trips with lots of days off. That will leave you with lots of days on the road, flying lower credit trips. As we get more E jets to replace the Q400s that are leaving this year and next, there will be an ever growing percentage of shorter trips that need to be covered. You will gain seniority, but we are over staffed now in the E jet, and all those pilots will be trying to take the trips with long legs. A pilot who goes to SkyWest, will be flying great, high credit trips almost from the start.
Currently newbie Horizon FOs in the e-jet are struggling to make their consolidation time. As every departing Q400 sends nine FOs into a different type rating and they all will be bidding senior to you, and all will need to make THEIR consolidation time, this isn't going to get better quick.
It's sort of like the junior league version of being a street captain. You are going to suck hind tit until your seniority number is higher than all the FOs you are competing for time with, and with every transitioning FO senior to you, that's gonna be awhile.
Just sayin...
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