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Old 11-29-2018, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores View Post
We do, however you wouldn't normally file an ASAP for most irregularity reports unless you felt like you broke an FAR.
Uhhh... not any more. From now on, I'm filing an ASAP report anytime I have to file an Irregularity Report. I've been doing this for years for any significant issue (i.e., engine shutdowns or emergency/abnormal situations).

Our current management claims that they will never use an Irregularity Report for disciplinary action. Don't believe it! This was very common in the past. Most of our most senior pilots are extremely cautious about what they put in a report, and with good reason. As one check airman told me, "write down airspeed, altitude... all checklists complied with".

I don't trust our current crop of hand-me-down Alaska management. We've built a robust safety culture here, and now they seem intent in destroying it.
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:05 AM
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Two important points.
ASAP is a voluntary safety reporting program that involves a signed agreement between the FAA, labor, and a company. Governed by rules set by federal law.
PIR(pilot irregularity report) is a Horizon (by default Alaska Air Group) program. Goverened by Alaska Air Group safety management systems. The company has generally applied the principals of ASAP regarding PIR’s when an ASAP is filed concurrently. However the company is not required. There have been instances where a PIR and maintenance discrepancy was submitted and discipline was administered. In those cases an ASAP was not submitted.
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:07 AM
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AS needs to end their flow with Horizon yesterday, don’t think it needs any more BOBs coming over to erode its amazing culture.
Cut that cancer out NOW..........
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:11 AM
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So, PIRs only for things that happen outside the cockpit, e.g. ground crews messing up the safety zone, passenger issues, scheduling issues that borderline on fatigue inducing, etc. ASAP, and only ASAP for any issues that are pilot related. Correct?
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1 View Post
AS needs to end their flow with Horizon yesterday, don’t think it needs any more BOBs coming over to erode its amazing culture.
Cut that cancer out NOW..........
What’s a BOB? And what flow? And what’re the cancer’s symptoms?
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:03 AM
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What’s a BOB? And what flow? And what’re the cancer’s symptoms?
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I believe flow is referring to the "flow" of AS personnel to QX into management positions, and the fact they still have AS seniority numbers.
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Dashdrvr it's all mixed together in the same app. How do we know which one is an ASAP and which one is a PIR?
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:14 AM
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No, BOB is black out Betty Pina, former Horizon and AS FO, jumped on #metoo to protect herself from a drunken episode in which CA Jeff Engelien was fired, she was later fired for another drunken layover in Hawaii. Now a DEC at Empire in Hawaii.
Don’t need any more of that at AS, great culture.
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1 View Post
No, BOB is black out Betty Pina, former Horizon and AS FO, jumped on #metoo to protect herself from a drunken episode in which CA Jeff Engelien was fired, she was later fired for another drunken layover in Hawaii. Now a DEC at Empire in Hawaii.
Don’t need any more of that at AS, great culture.
AS and QX don’t have flow and the CA’s name is not Jeff. Great culture? Glad you and the other FA’s are enjoying flightpath so much.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1 View Post
No, BOB is black out Betty Pina, former Horizon and AS FO, jumped on #metoo to protect herself from a drunken episode in which CA Jeff Engelien was fired, she was later fired for another drunken layover in Hawaii. Now a DEC at Empire in Hawaii.
Don’t need any more of that at AS, great culture.

Paint with a broad brush don’t ya?

The FO you mentioned was hired before the “flow” was even in motion, so what does that program have to do with it? She was hired by your Alaska hiring team, through the full interview process. Many good pilots and people on the pathway list waiting to get on at AS, but just because of one individual who wasn’t even on the list... yeah let’s go ahead and shut it down. By using your logic, since Betty was a prior military pilot, AS should stop hiring mil pilots as well.. Makes sense, total sense, the most sense.

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