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Old 11-05-2021, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hydrostream View Post
They’re selling a brand, nothing more.
More accurately, They are a brand and nothing more. The most bitter, angry people on the Alaska Airlines seniority list come from the Horizon Air seniority list. The nastiness that Alaska uses against Horizon pilots trying to get hired just stuns me. The old Horizon guard that get hired just find a place to hide out and survive the rest of their careers. The younger crowd, wisely, seem to be adding an Airbus and or Boeing type rating on their way to a real career airline. I feel so bad for the gals/guys that get hired from Horizon. I just keep my fingers crossed for them that they get what they need here and get out before they are trapped.
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Old 11-06-2021, 02:12 AM
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They made conscious decisions to go. Would they have been better off staying at Horizon?
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Old 11-06-2021, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Blip View Post
They made conscious decisions to go. Would they have been better off staying at Horizon?
Not sure what your point is. Clearly the best decision is to take the bird in hand. But none of them should care a bit when they take their new type rating and put it to work at a real career airline. nuff said
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Old 11-07-2021, 01:54 AM
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A few questions. Appreciate the answers.

1) How much do crashpads average in the SEATAC area?
2) How feasible is commuting (especially to reserve) to SEA for the 175 from SAN, ONT, and LAX
3) What's the furthest one could reasonably travel in from SEA from surrounding communities/regions. I understand traffic can be a nightmare and I'm curious what people have been doing.
4) When does standby travel or JS for that matter become available as a new hire?
5) What kinds of vehicle heights will the parking at SEA accomodate?

Thanks again!!!
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Old 11-07-2021, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 88002 View Post
A few questions. Appreciate the answers.

1) How much do crashpads average in the SEATAC area?
2) How feasible is commuting (especially to reserve) to SEA for the 175 from SAN, ONT, and LAX
3) What's the furthest one could reasonably travel in from SEA from surrounding communities/regions. I understand traffic can be a nightmare and I'm curious what people have been doing.
4) When does standby travel or JS for that matter become available as a new hire?
5) What kinds of vehicle heights will the parking at SEA accomodate?

Thanks again!!!
1) Depends on what you want. Private room? Reserved Bed? Hot rack? Perusing the crashpad FB group... Anywhere from $200-$600/month. Can't be more helpful here because I live here, sorry.

2) I'd say it's feasible. AM reserve at SEA is 0400-1600 and PM is 1030-2230. Ready reserve is slightly different and I forget those times. Multiple mainline and OAL flights a day between those city pairs. If you want the commuter "protections", you have to list on an Air Group managed flight (ASA,QXE,SKW-operating ASA flights) and there are some caveats with that. You have to list, but can non-rev on something else if you want/can get on. Like most other places, if it's not QX metal, your commuter status means nothing with regards to non-rev priority, but the "protections" remain in place. AM reserve... come in the night before your first day, leave your last day. PM reserve... Come in (maybe) on the first flight of the day on your first day, and try to negotiate an early release with scheduling your last day to catch the last flight out.

3) Home reserve is a 2 hour callout in SEA. So, with worst case of having to report in 2 hours, factoring in the commute and leaving some buffer time for normal traffic and having to park/shuttle from employee parking, get through security and down to the crew room (or plane)... I say no farther north than GreenLake/Bellevue. No further east than maybe Issaquah, and no further south than Tacoma/Puyallup area. Best advice is where you do end up, study the area and know 2-3 other ways to get to the airport. People here do not know how to drive and traffic can go to **** in a heartbeat.

4) Non-Rev on Air Group flights starts 30 days after hire (more specifically your "first day" at the Hub building in SEA when you get your ID). Non-Rev on OAL is 6-months after hire. JS is pretty much from day one. Day 1 you get your ID, Day 2 (down in PDX) you get your KCM badge. You're in JACS and good to go. You still can't list on AAG flights, so you have to list at the gate. Not a big deal, just tell the agent you're a new hire and excited blah blah blah. Side note, on QX metal, you can also list for the FA JS (so gives you another option when things are tight). Not that bad... I've done it a few times where the flight was full, and only the 2 JS available and a mainline pilot and I are trying to get on the same flight. I'll have the agent put me in the FA JS so the other pilot can get onboard.

5) There is a height limit to get through the North Lot employee parking (as well as on-airport parking), but I forget what it is. I'll try and remember it next time I'm there. I've seen some pretty decent sized SUVs and trucks in that lot. I do know the Port Authority's policy is "Campers, motor-homes, trailers, and RVs are prohibited. Conversion vans and oversize vehicles that take up more than one parking space are not allowed."

Good luck...
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Old 11-07-2021, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
Not sure what your point is. Clearly the best decision is to take the bird in hand. But none of them should care a bit when they take their new type rating and put it to work at a real career airline. nuff said
I see Alaska as a continuation of Horizon with twice the earning potential, slightly better work rules, line bidding instead of pbs and slower seniority progression. I don't think this is too inaccurate but correct me if I'm wrong. What's causing the huge disappointment for the Qx folks you fly with?
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Old 11-10-2021, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Blip View Post
I see Alaska as a continuation of Horizon with twice the earning potential, slightly better work rules, line bidding instead of pbs and slower seniority progression. I don't think this is too inaccurate but correct me if I'm wrong. What's causing the huge disappointment for the Qx folks you fly with?
Horizon Air treats their employees like school children. Lots of immature, punitive behavior on the part of managers. Alaska Airlines picks up that behavior and refines it. I believe that it is more like a beaten spouse syndrome…They hate it and want to leave but seem unable to…Leads to lots of unhappiness….
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Old 11-18-2021, 02:36 PM
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How will they staff this ANC base…?
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Old 11-19-2021, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Erjpilot90 View Post
How will they staff this ANC base…?
There's a fair number of pilots that want to live in Alaska and would bid the base in a nanosecond. This probably won't be enough to staff the base, so some of the junior ERJ pilots will be forced there for a few months.

This also affects other work groups (in particular, the flight attendants). When we had the Q400 base in Anchorage, a lot of the flight attendants and new first officers were hired from Anchorage and the surrounding areas. So the initial base staffing will include a number of crewmembers commuting and/or temporarily moving. After 12-18 months most of the crews will be residents (either Seattle-based E175 pilots who want to live in Anchorage, or locals recruited as FO's and flight attendants).

My opinion? The Anchorage base sounds pretty awesome if you can move or deal with the commute. I did a little flying up there in the Q400, had fun.
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Old 12-24-2021, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
Horizon Air treats their employees like school children. Lots of immature, punitive behavior on the part of managers. Alaska Airlines picks up that behavior and refines it. I believe that it is more like a beaten spouse syndrome…They hate it and want to leave but seem unable to…Leads to lots of unhappiness….
You're not wrong, although I think it's more correct to say "Alaska Air mgmt treats Horizon employees like school children". I got my time in and left the air group as quickly as possible. No chance I wanted to continue with Alaska after seeing how QX is treated. Great folks to work with though.
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