What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
02-26-2022, 07:57 AM
#3931
Works Fri-Sun, golf M-Th
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: Golf Cart
Posts: 264
Originally Posted by Duckaduck
It's all about QOL. Just drop the garage trip they give you and stay home or pick up something better. QX is so underpaid, its cheaper to stay home sometimes.
Kate can drop pilot trips via Ecrew. Just send a text. $50 a trip or reserve day.
661-489-8370
Painless and did it for years.
Good luck!
Kate can drop pilot trips via Ecrew. Just send a text. $50 a trip or reserve day.
661-489-8370
Painless and did it for years.
Good luck!
Please delete that... you're going to f^&* it up
03-02-2022, 08:03 AM
#3932
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2019
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by Blip
First of all WTF: A crew scheduler or something dropping trips for cash??!?
Second of all WTF: you putting her number up on APC.
If you're trolling, well played
Second of all WTF: you putting her number up on APC.
If you're trolling, well played
03-04-2022, 05:18 PM
#3933
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: Captain
Posts: 54
So like other have said here "oh I prefer Horizon because with SW we are just a number" well....you are always just a number. But there are places that they treat "numbers" better than here.
Check this out.
Fellow Horizon Pilots, Unity - a condition of harmony; continuity without deviation or change (as in purpose or action); the quality or state of being made one; the resulting singleness of effect or symmetry and consistency of style and character. Just over 20 years ago, Horizon Pilots ratified their very first Collective Bargaining Agreement. The Teamsters Airline Division at the time sent a letter to all Horizon Pilots stating, “You went from no Agreement to the best Agreement in the regional industry, something that had not been accomplished previously by any other group or union.” When the Airline Division spoke of grievances moving forward from the negotiation process, the letter said, “This procedure will require not only the efforts of the Grievance Committee, the EXCO, and your BA,…but each of you who must support them in ensuring that the Agreement is the process used to define your workplace and your quality of life.” The letter concludes, “It is through this effort that the competitive future of Horizon Air will be achieved.” The company has seemingly done a good job at eroding our contract and creating divide amongst our Horizon Pilots. In a common cause such as labor-management relations and contract negotiations, greater good can be accomplished with an individual commitment to the collective objective. This is unity.Our negotiations for an amended contract will commence as early as December 2022. While our current compensation rates, schedules and work rules are far from perfect and there’s room for improvement in light of today’s aviation industry, these aspects exist because of the level of unity we, the Horizon Pilots, had in the past, whether good or bad at certain times. It’s time to move forward with a renewed purpose and greater unityOur higher seniority Horizon Pilots have seen the gradual erosion of our retirement, healthcare benefits, and other aspects of employment over at least the past decade. For instance, about 10 years ago we saw the reduction in retirement contributions and elimination of retiree medical plans, while today some of our newer pilots are seeing this continued erosion in the form of decreased HSA contributions. Under our first contract, a top scale Horizon Air captain’s wage was within $35 per hour of a similarly-situated Alaska mainline captain’s wage. Today, that wage difference has increased four times. This stark difference negatively affects us, the workhorses of AAG, and fails to recognize the work we put in and the profits we earn for the Air GroupSmall cuts here and there make a large impact over time. This is why we, the Horizon Pilots, must continue to stand united against contract violations and the erosion of our benefits, both great and small.Over the last year, we have all experienced firsthand the company’s broken promises. Our health care was cut and changed without our consent, jet orders went to SkyWest instead of being flown by Horizon Pilots, management has disregarded the SEA-AK LOA Horizon Pilots ratified in 2020 and many contract violations still occur without management thinking twice about it.The company’s token “Pathways” program has only been good for the company, but it doesn’t benefit our Horizon Pilots. Horizon Pilots who choose to participate in “Pathways” are required to sign away their legally protected privacy rights, allowing AAG access to more records than the company would otherwise be entitled to receive. Horizon Pilots have been subjected to moving goalposts and unilateral program changes (upgrade, flight time, attendance, employment duration requirements, etc.) on which the company has failed to negotiate with your Union. The company has publicly advertised “Pathways” is the quickest path to become an Alaska mainline pilot. In many cases, this is simply not true. Some Horizon Pilots who transitioned to mainline have sat in class next to SkyWest pilots who have not had the same level or duration of experience required of Horizon Pilots.Your Union volunteers and leaders continually fight on your behalf to make and maintain our agreements with the company. The contract and related agreements are the framework under which we are expected to perform our jobs. The company believes they can insert their own interpretation to affect change to the contract and create divide amongst Horizon Pilots (e.g., offering a small number of pilots 150% pay on normal work days). The only way for the company to fix or amend pay, work rules and conditions of employment is through negotiations with our Union. Your Union leaders remind the company of this on at least a monthly basis. There is more but I think that is enought to help u.
Check this out.
Fellow Horizon Pilots, Unity - a condition of harmony; continuity without deviation or change (as in purpose or action); the quality or state of being made one; the resulting singleness of effect or symmetry and consistency of style and character. Just over 20 years ago, Horizon Pilots ratified their very first Collective Bargaining Agreement. The Teamsters Airline Division at the time sent a letter to all Horizon Pilots stating, “You went from no Agreement to the best Agreement in the regional industry, something that had not been accomplished previously by any other group or union.” When the Airline Division spoke of grievances moving forward from the negotiation process, the letter said, “This procedure will require not only the efforts of the Grievance Committee, the EXCO, and your BA,…but each of you who must support them in ensuring that the Agreement is the process used to define your workplace and your quality of life.” The letter concludes, “It is through this effort that the competitive future of Horizon Air will be achieved.” The company has seemingly done a good job at eroding our contract and creating divide amongst our Horizon Pilots. In a common cause such as labor-management relations and contract negotiations, greater good can be accomplished with an individual commitment to the collective objective. This is unity.Our negotiations for an amended contract will commence as early as December 2022. While our current compensation rates, schedules and work rules are far from perfect and there’s room for improvement in light of today’s aviation industry, these aspects exist because of the level of unity we, the Horizon Pilots, had in the past, whether good or bad at certain times. It’s time to move forward with a renewed purpose and greater unityOur higher seniority Horizon Pilots have seen the gradual erosion of our retirement, healthcare benefits, and other aspects of employment over at least the past decade. For instance, about 10 years ago we saw the reduction in retirement contributions and elimination of retiree medical plans, while today some of our newer pilots are seeing this continued erosion in the form of decreased HSA contributions. Under our first contract, a top scale Horizon Air captain’s wage was within $35 per hour of a similarly-situated Alaska mainline captain’s wage. Today, that wage difference has increased four times. This stark difference negatively affects us, the workhorses of AAG, and fails to recognize the work we put in and the profits we earn for the Air GroupSmall cuts here and there make a large impact over time. This is why we, the Horizon Pilots, must continue to stand united against contract violations and the erosion of our benefits, both great and small.Over the last year, we have all experienced firsthand the company’s broken promises. Our health care was cut and changed without our consent, jet orders went to SkyWest instead of being flown by Horizon Pilots, management has disregarded the SEA-AK LOA Horizon Pilots ratified in 2020 and many contract violations still occur without management thinking twice about it.The company’s token “Pathways” program has only been good for the company, but it doesn’t benefit our Horizon Pilots. Horizon Pilots who choose to participate in “Pathways” are required to sign away their legally protected privacy rights, allowing AAG access to more records than the company would otherwise be entitled to receive. Horizon Pilots have been subjected to moving goalposts and unilateral program changes (upgrade, flight time, attendance, employment duration requirements, etc.) on which the company has failed to negotiate with your Union. The company has publicly advertised “Pathways” is the quickest path to become an Alaska mainline pilot. In many cases, this is simply not true. Some Horizon Pilots who transitioned to mainline have sat in class next to SkyWest pilots who have not had the same level or duration of experience required of Horizon Pilots.Your Union volunteers and leaders continually fight on your behalf to make and maintain our agreements with the company. The contract and related agreements are the framework under which we are expected to perform our jobs. The company believes they can insert their own interpretation to affect change to the contract and create divide amongst Horizon Pilots (e.g., offering a small number of pilots 150% pay on normal work days). The only way for the company to fix or amend pay, work rules and conditions of employment is through negotiations with our Union. Your Union leaders remind the company of this on at least a monthly basis. There is more but I think that is enought to help u.
03-05-2022, 09:19 AM
#3935
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 95
The sad fact is that people here vote for short term gain because they will 'only be here for a short time'. It sucks for the old timers and it's bad for whoever comes after them. Also it's many people's first airline and they are so easy to scare. Unfortunately the brain drain has happened at the Exco and stewards too (of course they are still working super hard in your best interest) but the turnover is high which is great for the company. This place is just a stepping stone and will never have a higher than sub standard contract. This doesn't mean you couldn't stay here and make a great living as a check airman or sim instructor
03-06-2022, 09:01 AM
#3937
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2022
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03-06-2022, 03:27 PM
#3938
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: Captain
Posts: 54
Originally Posted by Blip
The sad fact is that people here vote for short term gain because they will 'only be here for a short time'. It sucks for the old timers and it's bad for whoever comes after them. Also it's many people's first airline and they are so easy to scare. Unfortunately the brain drain has happened at the Exco and stewards too (of course they are still working super hard in your best interest) but the turnover is high which is great for the company. This place is just a stepping stone and will never have a higher than sub standard contract. This doesn't mean you couldn't stay here and make a great living as a check airman or sim instructor
03-06-2022, 09:36 PM
#3940
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Position: Captain
Posts: 282
Originally Posted by Clcoregon
So like other have said here "oh I prefer Horizon because with SW we are just a number" well....you are always just a number. But there are places that they treat "numbers" better than here.
Check this out.
Fellow Horizon Pilots, Unity - a condition of harmony; continuity without deviation or change (as in purpose or action); the quality or state of being made one; the resulting singleness of effect or symmetry and consistency of style and character. Just over 20 years ago, Horizon Pilots ratified their very first Collective Bargaining Agreement. The Teamsters Airline Division at the time sent a letter to all Horizon Pilots stating, “You went from no Agreement to the best Agreement in the regional industry, something that had not been accomplished previously by any other group or union.” When the Airline Division spoke of grievances moving forward from the negotiation process, the letter said, “This procedure will require not only the efforts of the Grievance Committee, the EXCO, and your BA,…but each of you who must support them in ensuring that the Agreement is the process used to define your workplace and your quality of life.” The letter concludes, “It is through this effort that the competitive future of Horizon Air will be achieved.” The company has seemingly done a good job at eroding our contract and creating divide amongst our Horizon Pilots. In a common cause such as labor-management relations and contract negotiations, greater good can be accomplished with an individual commitment to the collective objective. This is unity.Our negotiations for an amended contract will commence as early as December 2022. While our current compensation rates, schedules and work rules are far from perfect and there’s room for improvement in light of today’s aviation industry, these aspects exist because of the level of unity we, the Horizon Pilots, had in the past, whether good or bad at certain times. It’s time to move forward with a renewed purpose and greater unityOur higher seniority Horizon Pilots have seen the gradual erosion of our retirement, healthcare benefits, and other aspects of employment over at least the past decade. For instance, about 10 years ago we saw the reduction in retirement contributions and elimination of retiree medical plans, while today some of our newer pilots are seeing this continued erosion in the form of decreased HSA contributions. Under our first contract, a top scale Horizon Air captain’s wage was within $35 per hour of a similarly-situated Alaska mainline captain’s wage. Today, that wage difference has increased four times. This stark difference negatively affects us, the workhorses of AAG, and fails to recognize the work we put in and the profits we earn for the Air GroupSmall cuts here and there make a large impact over time. This is why we, the Horizon Pilots, must continue to stand united against contract violations and the erosion of our benefits, both great and small.Over the last year, we have all experienced firsthand the company’s broken promises. Our health care was cut and changed without our consent, jet orders went to SkyWest instead of being flown by Horizon Pilots, management has disregarded the SEA-AK LOA Horizon Pilots ratified in 2020 and many contract violations still occur without management thinking twice about it.The company’s token “Pathways” program has only been good for the company, but it doesn’t benefit our Horizon Pilots. Horizon Pilots who choose to participate in “Pathways” are required to sign away their legally protected privacy rights, allowing AAG access to more records than the company would otherwise be entitled to receive. Horizon Pilots have been subjected to moving goalposts and unilateral program changes (upgrade, flight time, attendance, employment duration requirements, etc.) on which the company has failed to negotiate with your Union. The company has publicly advertised “Pathways” is the quickest path to become an Alaska mainline pilot. In many cases, this is simply not true. Some Horizon Pilots who transitioned to mainline have sat in class next to SkyWest pilots who have not had the same level or duration of experience required of Horizon Pilots.Your Union volunteers and leaders continually fight on your behalf to make and maintain our agreements with the company. The contract and related agreements are the framework under which we are expected to perform our jobs. The company believes they can insert their own interpretation to affect change to the contract and create divide amongst Horizon Pilots (e.g., offering a small number of pilots 150% pay on normal work days). The only way for the company to fix or amend pay, work rules and conditions of employment is through negotiations with our Union. Your Union leaders remind the company of this on at least a monthly basis. There is more but I think that is enought to help u.
Check this out.
Fellow Horizon Pilots, Unity - a condition of harmony; continuity without deviation or change (as in purpose or action); the quality or state of being made one; the resulting singleness of effect or symmetry and consistency of style and character. Just over 20 years ago, Horizon Pilots ratified their very first Collective Bargaining Agreement. The Teamsters Airline Division at the time sent a letter to all Horizon Pilots stating, “You went from no Agreement to the best Agreement in the regional industry, something that had not been accomplished previously by any other group or union.” When the Airline Division spoke of grievances moving forward from the negotiation process, the letter said, “This procedure will require not only the efforts of the Grievance Committee, the EXCO, and your BA,…but each of you who must support them in ensuring that the Agreement is the process used to define your workplace and your quality of life.” The letter concludes, “It is through this effort that the competitive future of Horizon Air will be achieved.” The company has seemingly done a good job at eroding our contract and creating divide amongst our Horizon Pilots. In a common cause such as labor-management relations and contract negotiations, greater good can be accomplished with an individual commitment to the collective objective. This is unity.Our negotiations for an amended contract will commence as early as December 2022. While our current compensation rates, schedules and work rules are far from perfect and there’s room for improvement in light of today’s aviation industry, these aspects exist because of the level of unity we, the Horizon Pilots, had in the past, whether good or bad at certain times. It’s time to move forward with a renewed purpose and greater unityOur higher seniority Horizon Pilots have seen the gradual erosion of our retirement, healthcare benefits, and other aspects of employment over at least the past decade. For instance, about 10 years ago we saw the reduction in retirement contributions and elimination of retiree medical plans, while today some of our newer pilots are seeing this continued erosion in the form of decreased HSA contributions. Under our first contract, a top scale Horizon Air captain’s wage was within $35 per hour of a similarly-situated Alaska mainline captain’s wage. Today, that wage difference has increased four times. This stark difference negatively affects us, the workhorses of AAG, and fails to recognize the work we put in and the profits we earn for the Air GroupSmall cuts here and there make a large impact over time. This is why we, the Horizon Pilots, must continue to stand united against contract violations and the erosion of our benefits, both great and small.Over the last year, we have all experienced firsthand the company’s broken promises. Our health care was cut and changed without our consent, jet orders went to SkyWest instead of being flown by Horizon Pilots, management has disregarded the SEA-AK LOA Horizon Pilots ratified in 2020 and many contract violations still occur without management thinking twice about it.The company’s token “Pathways” program has only been good for the company, but it doesn’t benefit our Horizon Pilots. Horizon Pilots who choose to participate in “Pathways” are required to sign away their legally protected privacy rights, allowing AAG access to more records than the company would otherwise be entitled to receive. Horizon Pilots have been subjected to moving goalposts and unilateral program changes (upgrade, flight time, attendance, employment duration requirements, etc.) on which the company has failed to negotiate with your Union. The company has publicly advertised “Pathways” is the quickest path to become an Alaska mainline pilot. In many cases, this is simply not true. Some Horizon Pilots who transitioned to mainline have sat in class next to SkyWest pilots who have not had the same level or duration of experience required of Horizon Pilots.Your Union volunteers and leaders continually fight on your behalf to make and maintain our agreements with the company. The contract and related agreements are the framework under which we are expected to perform our jobs. The company believes they can insert their own interpretation to affect change to the contract and create divide amongst Horizon Pilots (e.g., offering a small number of pilots 150% pay on normal work days). The only way for the company to fix or amend pay, work rules and conditions of employment is through negotiations with our Union. Your Union leaders remind the company of this on at least a monthly basis. There is more but I think that is enought to help u.
but skywest doesn’t furlough right? Just sent home without pay totally different right?
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