pete2800

I don't understand your question. Describe to me why an 8-year deal is a negative thing, and why a shorter deal would fix the specific issues that a long-term deal has.

TheTransporter

In almost a decade of reserve I always broke min guarantee. Average is over 95 credits per bid.

N19906

News to me: the TA for the FA's takes them off of 117 and puts them under 121. We won't be flying as cohesive crews anymore, it'll be like mainline. They'll come and go each turn, seperate hotels, etc.
Maybe not a big thing to many, but that team spirit/mindset will be gone...

Cruz5350

I'm just trying to explain my results after working for both places that's all. My experience has been higher earnings at SKW hopefully you guys can raise the bar even higher so we can continue to have future leverage.

DashTrash

As a former QXer, I feel horrible that you all are being put in this position. From what I've heard about the TA from my friends that are still there, it's concessionary but not horrible. One of the guys that I trust most about contract language because of his service on the union there, says "it's something that he can live with".

As for the comment about Delta not ratifying their TA and still getting the airplanes anyway. I do think that there are two sets of rules. One for mainline and another for the regional partner. The airplanes promised to Delta would make their Company money. For a regional, it doesn't really make them money because those airplanes can be flown by another company. That is not the case with E190s and 737s going to Delta or some other mainline carrier because of scope.

lowflying

I think we'll let you guys raise the bar in time for our pay arbitration in '21 ��

lowflying

Their hours of service is still 117 they just don't call it 117. Their trips will conincide. However, they won't have to sign the release anymore (don't laugh) and their reserves are going to get used harder. On the flip side they can fly back to back a.m. Trips (no wocl issues)

LineGrinder400

Not saying this mentality is right or wrong.. but this reluctant acceptance of concessions as "something that can be lived with" in a time of never before seen company profits astonishes me.

Would not be surprised to see this passing 60/40.. sad.

The talk here should be about how much in rate and QOL improvements should be sought... not on how many concessions can be lived with.

We simply under value our worth as pilots.

phalanxo

Yeah, the concessions aren't huge and they're probably livable. But everybody knows it's total horse---t when the company is making so much $$. They're laughing all the way to the bank. It's not the typical "Well, take concessions now or take them in BK court" scenario. It sets a really bad precedent. When the company has gains, the pilots are supposed to share in those gains, as we are certainly asked to take cuts when things are bad. If you don't get any gains in this contract, then when, ever? In 8 years... in 8 years when it becomes amendable how do you honestly go ask for anything with a straight face? The company was super profitable before, we took cuts. But now it's been 8 more years and we'd like.. what? "We're gonna shrink you again and take all your jets to (random whipsaw place) if you don't take more cuts." I don't work there, so of coure there's nothing at stake for me except for my friend's well being, that's the only dog I have in the fight. And yeah it seems like they're selling it in the road shows as "well it's not that bad, we can live with it". But on some level it's absolute madness. The name of the game in 2016 is regionals having trouble staffing and flying will go to any carrier that can manage to staff it. Being asked for any kind of concessions with no give from the company is so patently absurd and offensive that only management could have thought of it. But it's your lives and you're being asked to play high stakes poker and figure out if they're bluffing or not... It just makes me sick.

snackysmores

Exactly, which is why I voted no. I won't be a part of this game. We've got **** to lose but Alaska has WAY more to lose. If we go down we will take those motherfu**ers and their precious stock price with us.


The puzzle palace cleaned house the other day, multiple employees with 25+ years of loyalty to the air group were shown the door Alaska style.