phalanxo

Given how readily willing your pilot group is to take concessions in a time of record profits for nothing, I'm not sure why an 8 year contract is a bad thing either. I mean how do you seriously ask for gains in the future when you just took this thing? There's no leverage anymore, Alaska got what they wanted out of the TA. Line bidding ain't coming back. Probably best to stay on this contract for awhile because if you're Alaska you're stupid not to demand concessions in the next one too, the pilots already proved they'd fall for it. It's a sad day for the industry.

snackysmores

We tried, all we can do.

snackysmores

I believe a lot of the Yes voters are thinking they're gonna get out in the next 1-2 years so they dgaf. I'll hope for the same but I'd never vote to lower the industry.

"We have to vote yes and get the jets now and then we can have leverage later!" IDIOTS.

Phteven

What's even more sad are the yes voters who aren't planning on leaving. This thing is full of holes. Plenty of opportunities here for the company to have their cake and eat it too.

This TA did not "secure Horizon's future" or "return jets to Horizon." They just sold all bargaining rights for the next eight years and gave them a concessionary contract the company can now implement on their terms.

The company can still farm out 14 airplanes before they need to abide but the "job protection" components of this agreement which gives us plenty of time to shrink. Meanwhile, they will tell us about how the jets are still coming so they can implement the TA, but that buys them time to place orders and dangle the carrot while we see Q400's expire.

Utah

At least you didn't agree to fly 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat pay.

Check Complete

Or agree to be paid "historical credit" per leg that the company makes up instead of marketing block pay the rest of the industry recognizes? Or have a PBS system that doesn't abide by seniority and globalizes for company need? Or have a pilot association that is paid for by the company to work for the company?

Because ya, that would be real stupid!

skwcrj

Just to comfirm... The new agreement is to fly the 175's for current Q-payrates? Are the payrates listed on the Horizon page of APC accurate?

Thanks for the info.

Phteven

Current Q rates + 1.5%. Raises around 1.5% with baseball arbitration in a few years.

silver fleet

Shame on the 70%. A majority of the group is business-blind. QX is now a dead-end carrier; a real shame.

Noprisoners

I voted yes guess you guys are so F'n smart beating your chest oh yeah Im business dumb too ***. Maybe Im too old your right I saw Comair and QX try once to uplift the industry comair no longer here because the truth is everyone looking in has opinion and a Ahole. We vote No on this and you guys think it will turn out different than Comair? why? Sorry I don't. And wow tons of conspiracy theories. Why good did it do for the Comair guys to take a stand? Thank God they did it allowed QX to thrive in the race to the bottom…Thank you to the most courageous guys an gals ever to fly in the regionals, The truth the rest of the chickens in the industry said Oh boy I can go fly the routes in shiny new jets aka you know you you are why you tell me to take a stand , Stand the hell up for yourself Ill feed my family lots of bench warmers talking complete crap beating their chest telling me and my bros *** to do come walk in our shoes for more than a few years