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Old 01-30-2016, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AKNGPilot View Post
Here is a question from a potential new hire.

Would you come fly for Horizon today given the new contract?
I was at Horizon for a year and just recently left for Compass. I left a month before the results of the TA because I realized that my decision would be the same no matter the results. I was Seattle based and live 15 minutes from SEA. It was a comfortable job, but it's hard to be swayed by jets when you realize that you'll just be stuck in the Q400 flying shorter legs, and more of them. Keep that in mind if you choose Horizon. The route structure for the Q400 will shrink after the jets arrive to only legs under one hour. Your friends at all other airlines will be flying all over the country while you go no farther than Idaho if you end up in the Q.

The top 1/3rd of pilots at Horizon have been there for decades. Those guys will get the left seat in those jets. As an FO I'd have been too far down in seniority to get the jets. If I had upgraded at Horizon it would have been back into the Q. If you go to Compass or Skywest you can be West Coast based and guarantee that you'll fly a jet, even after upgrade. Given that logic I don't see how Horizon expects to attract new pilots unless they hire into the jet. It actually makes sense as it would reduce training costs. Of course if it happens that way I have some FO friends back at Horizon that will be very unhappy.
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Old 01-30-2016, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Noprisoners View Post
An opinion is like an A-hole everybody has one. Can you understand that?……Seriously……Can you disagree with people here or is it comply and agree or be flamed?

Please Articulate how this is a Concessionary contract?
anyone?
PBS Is not, we shrink and SAP(Schedule Adjustment Period) quality erodes with smaller roster. i.e. see MFR base SAP.
Pay Is not. We take no hit in pay period and we are still in top two of the regional industry(For 76 seat Jets) We don't have to like it, I don't but we don't have Horizon paint on our planes just little letters we have been debranded. Unless your assuming a pay rate for the jet when we had no jet on property…zero…none. we could have a space shuttle pay rate who cares it means absolutely nothing until equipment is on property.

I too think we are not paid fair but the REALITY is that another person, often the one shouting from the roof tops that we should have stood up for the industry is the very person flying for XYZ ready to fly your routes in your airplane.

What AAG will do or won't do is all conspiracy Theory. My experience is if they do say things public they follow through if you disagree please give me and example? Articulate enough?
I don't think that your message makes anyone's head hurt (well maybe). Perhaps, it's your writing style. It is....unique.

Perhaps each paragraph should contain more than one run-on sentence.
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Old 01-30-2016, 10:53 PM
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Lots and lots of "Bless your heart" going on these days...
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Old 01-30-2016, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete View Post
Or agree to be paid "historical credit" per leg that the company makes up instead of marketing block pay the rest of the industry recognizes? Or have a PBS system that doesn't abide by seniority and globalizes for company need? Or have a pilot association that is paid for by the company to work for the company?

Because ya, that would be real stupid!
Can't wait to hear the NEW reasons when the few QX captains that deny Skywest pilots the jumpseat... When in doubt, it's SkyWest's fault for your misery. Right?
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:33 AM
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Can't wait to hear the NEW reasons when the few QX captains that deny Skywest pilots the jumpseat... When in doubt, it's SkyWest's fault for your misery. Right?
You're not the cause of our problems, but you have not helped either. Brad and his cronies offered to outsource more of Horizon's flying if we didn't match skywests costs. Try raising the bar.
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Old 01-31-2016, 10:27 AM
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You're not the cause of our problems, but you have not helped either. Brad and his cronies offered to outsource more of Horizon's flying if we didn't match skywests costs. Try raising the bar.

This was smokescreen. It is my understanding that Skywest was offering a deal too good to refuse (a cost they can absorb because they have such a diverse array of contracts). Why wouldn't Skywest management want to start off on the right foot with AAG? The first hit is always free...

AAG is presumably smart enough to know this (presumably..), hence why they have been rallying so hard for Horizon to "compete" - they don't want to have Skywest be their only CPA carrier. This is game theory, folks! They offer to outsource us, we offer to destroy their reputation - that's how hardball works. Well, this pilot group wasn't up for hardball, so here we are. We have ourselves (well, 69% of us anyway) squarely to blame, not Skywest.
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Originally Posted by word302 View Post
Do you understand what you just wrote? It hurts my head.
His structure in writing is a direct reflection of his understanding.
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Originally Posted by silver fleet View Post
His structure in writing is a direct reflection of his understanding.
flame? I really wish I was as smart as some of you self-righteous folks. You should use your self-proclaimed intellect to make $$$ for yourself instead of being a slam-clicker and flaming others LMAO. My understanding is pretty right on, I just don't live my life with an entitlement mentality……..flame on pretty boys.

Oh yeah Skywest your welcome for KCM, Cass, rest rules you know the stuff unions fought and paid for while you all tagged along for the free ride. Cheers
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Thank you and bless your heart!
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Old 01-31-2016, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Noprisoners View Post
flame? I really wish I was as smart as some of you self-righteous folks. You should use your self-proclaimed intellect to make $$$ for yourself instead of being a slam-clicker and flaming others LMAO. My understanding is pretty right on, I just don't live my life with an entitlement mentality……..flame on pretty boys.

Oh yeah Skywest your welcome for KCM, Cass, rest rules you know the stuff unions fought and paid for while you all tagged along for the free ride. Cheers
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