What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
11-04-2015, 01:35 AM
#61
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For Horizons sake I really hope Alaska doesn't come to Penair and start giving the shorter routes to us out of PDX. We already have on CPA route for them and a lot of mileage plan routes out of ANC.
11-05-2015, 10:19 AM
#62
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Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
For Horizons sake I really hope Alaska doesn't come to Penair and start giving the shorter routes to us out of PDX. We already have on CPA route for them and a lot of mileage plan routes out of ANC.
The CPA route couldn't be done by Alaska or Horizon without significant load limits (which is why Alaska stopped doing it in the -200 combis years ago), and the codeshares capture pax on routes they couldn't possibly fill with their own equipment. The big move right now towards E175's is largely triggered by competition from Delta who is now flying routes in 175's we currently do in Q's. Swapping Q's for Saabs would not be popular among passengers with competitive options.
This feels like a plug for Penair disguised as backhanded sympathy for Horizon potentially losing routes to outsourcing.
11-05-2015, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Phteven
Uhh..yeah I don't think that's a concern for a myriad of reasons.
The CPA route couldn't be done by Alaska or Horizon without significant load limits (which is why Alaska stopped doing it in the -200 combis years ago), and the codeshares capture pax on routes they couldn't possibly fill with their own equipment. The big move right now towards E175's is largely triggered by competition from Delta who is now flying routes in 175's we currently do in Q's. Swapping Q's for Saabs would not be popular among passengers with competitive options.
This feels like a plug for Penair disguised as backhanded sympathy for Horizon potentially losing routes to outsourcing.
The CPA route couldn't be done by Alaska or Horizon without significant load limits (which is why Alaska stopped doing it in the -200 combis years ago), and the codeshares capture pax on routes they couldn't possibly fill with their own equipment. The big move right now towards E175's is largely triggered by competition from Delta who is now flying routes in 175's we currently do in Q's. Swapping Q's for Saabs would not be popular among passengers with competitive options.
This feels like a plug for Penair disguised as backhanded sympathy for Horizon potentially losing routes to outsourcing.
11-09-2015, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
I'll probably give it till the end of the year and if no progress has been made I'm out. Most of my FO buddies are getting ready to bail too.
I think if no progress is made by the end of the year then that's about when the company might start getting nervous. This whole sham will have been in vain if they don't have a TA by the time they have to make it obvious they're coming here anyway. Unless of course, they send them to Skywest if we don't have a TA...
Make the call you think is best, but I don't think this charade will be over by the end of the year. However, I don't see how we could still be ****ing around with this in Q1 of next year when pilots should be bidding for training dates.
11-09-2015, 01:54 PM
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If they pull the "QX is just too expensive...we're giving the 30 175's to Skywest" card...This place is going to go down the morale toilet. It will become hostile between the work groups and management, esp towards AAG.
Time for AAG to decide if QX truly "Is Alaska"
Time for AAG to decide if QX truly "Is Alaska"
11-09-2015, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SurferLucas
If they pull the "QX is just too expensive...we're giving the 30 175's to Skywest" card...This place is going to go down the morale toilet. It will become hostile between the work groups and management, esp towards AAG.
Time for AAG to decide if QX truly "Is Alaska"
Time for AAG to decide if QX truly "Is Alaska"
11-09-2015, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
Low morale would be the least of their worries. Good luck staffing for the rest of the year when all the junior people quit. Captains with large amounts of sick time will start using that up, every plane will be shot down for Mx, it will be bad. Horizon will shut down.
...Hi LaMar/Ali/whoever else 
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