What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
#981
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That's funny. Even taking into account that there's almost certainly some BS content in what the other carriers advertising on this site are claiming, does Horizon actually believe that a low/average signing bonus plus an interview with a 73-only operator at or near the bottom of the industry pay structure is going to make them competitive?
#982
well, QX its telling this to the new applicants. this is true? can any one confirm this...
At this time we are hiring into the Q400. We will eventually be hiring directly into our new jets but at this time it is just the current Pilots transitioning over. We do anticipate this to change at some point this year but it is hard to pin point exactly when at this time. We have not had our first delivery of the ERJ yet. As far as preference into the ERJ, it is first come, first serve and not dependent on previous flying.
Although we don’t technically have “flow” with Alaska we have something better! It is a guaranteed interview with Alaska. All Horizon Pilots (who meet the minimum requirement) are guaranteed an interview with Alaska when they choose to exercise it. We recommend you are strategic and choose to do so when you have hours and are best prepared for the process. We anticipate having something like this with Virgin as well in the coming months.
At this time we are hiring into the Q400. We will eventually be hiring directly into our new jets but at this time it is just the current Pilots transitioning over. We do anticipate this to change at some point this year but it is hard to pin point exactly when at this time. We have not had our first delivery of the ERJ yet. As far as preference into the ERJ, it is first come, first serve and not dependent on previous flying.
Although we don’t technically have “flow” with Alaska we have something better! It is a guaranteed interview with Alaska. All Horizon Pilots (who meet the minimum requirement) are guaranteed an interview with Alaska when they choose to exercise it. We recommend you are strategic and choose to do so when you have hours and are best prepared for the process. We anticipate having something like this with Virgin as well in the coming months.
And yes, our VP of Flight Ops said that our guaranteed interview is better than a true no interview flow LOL. "Because you can choose when to interview instead of waiting for your seniority number to flow."
There were a bunch of FOs who did not have 3000 hours at Horizon but we're called for their interview with Alaska. They we're quickly told "Thanks for coming, but you're not qualified. See ya!" And they burned their guaranteed interview. What a scam. Only Alaska would call you to waste your time for an interview knowing full well you had ZERO chance of getting the job.
#983
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I just talked to the wife of a former Horizon pilot (he now flies for Atlas) who verified a lot of what is being said on this forum. I’m glad I never went to Horizon but I’m sad that a company I would have loved to work for has become the bottom feeder of the bottom feeders.
I’m applying to Atlas today and giving up on ALK, this once great company has lost its luster regardless of the recent award they won. Which I’m very curious about given the recent number of cancelations by Horizon??
I feel bad for the young pilots that were led down the path thinking ALK (Horizon) was different.
I’m applying to Atlas today and giving up on ALK, this once great company has lost its luster regardless of the recent award they won. Which I’m very curious about given the recent number of cancelations by Horizon??
I feel bad for the young pilots that were led down the path thinking ALK (Horizon) was different.
#984
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And yes, our VP of Flight Ops said that our guaranteed interview is better than a true no interview flow LOL. "Because you can choose when to interview instead of waiting for your seniority number to flow."
There were a bunch of FOs who did not have 3000 hours at Horizon but we're called for their interview with Alaska. They we're quickly told "Thanks for coming, but you're not qualified. See ya!" And they burned their guaranteed interview. What a scam. Only Alaska would call you to waste your time for an interview knowing full well you had ZERO chance of getting the job.
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#985
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That guy (BL, the vp of flight ops), is one of many reasons why I cannot recommend working here at this time. He will (literally) wine and dine new hires and make outrageous claims without basis.
Crew Scheduling has become difficult (and quite passive aggressive) to work with under his leadership. There once was a time when I could answer my phone on a day off, but now I know if I do I will be junior manned, regardless of what I have going on (holidays, doctor appointments, no child care available, etc). If you answer your phone while on duty, they are going to treat you like a reserve for "operational necessity"
Reserves are currently working 100 credit bids, sometimes six days in a row (7 in one recent case, which is a violation of our contract, btw), (with low block time), a high number of airplane swaps. I hope you like doing 4 preflight inspections a day for 4 credits! oh yeah, you have a 30 minute scheduled turn time to do all that! Make sure you do it on time or your bonus is at risk!
Our airplanes are dirty, unreliable, and we make our pax walk through wind, rain, snow, puddles if deice fluid. We contract with a wheelchair service that never shows up on time, and when they do our pax with special needs get blasted by the elements and turboprop noise while they wait.
It's shameful.
Don't apply here if the above is shocking to you. If you are in training, think about what I (a line grinder) just described and ask if this is the type of place that is right for you.
Crew Scheduling has become difficult (and quite passive aggressive) to work with under his leadership. There once was a time when I could answer my phone on a day off, but now I know if I do I will be junior manned, regardless of what I have going on (holidays, doctor appointments, no child care available, etc). If you answer your phone while on duty, they are going to treat you like a reserve for "operational necessity"
Reserves are currently working 100 credit bids, sometimes six days in a row (7 in one recent case, which is a violation of our contract, btw), (with low block time), a high number of airplane swaps. I hope you like doing 4 preflight inspections a day for 4 credits! oh yeah, you have a 30 minute scheduled turn time to do all that! Make sure you do it on time or your bonus is at risk!
Our airplanes are dirty, unreliable, and we make our pax walk through wind, rain, snow, puddles if deice fluid. We contract with a wheelchair service that never shows up on time, and when they do our pax with special needs get blasted by the elements and turboprop noise while they wait.
It's shameful.
Don't apply here if the above is shocking to you. If you are in training, think about what I (a line grinder) just described and ask if this is the type of place that is right for you.
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#986
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New Hire here, I came in before the 10K bonus. I was very optimistic about Horizon, I kept waiting for them to get their act together, come up to market levels with compensation, I never imagined they would violate the the contract and the pretend like they didn't. So disingenuous. I don't know how many the 10K will attract but I know it will send many who they have already invested the training in, looking elsewhere, total slap in the face. I just got my apps in, and I'm leaving as soon as possible. There's just no reason so stay. If your thinking of taking the bonus, do what you gotta do, I came because of the bases, it was very important to me to stay in the NW. It was a classic you don't know what you don't know situation. There is no reason anymore the struggle through your first year, the industry has changed. Horizon is so far behind the hiring, I think their future is in question. They have just given me absolutely no reason to stay.
#987
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I've got no skin in this game but I'll give some friendly advice to the young bucks who want to stay in the PNW and at the same time are whining about lower than "industry standard" pay (whatever that is). Commuting sucks beyond belief as does paying to shack up with other pilots in a stinking crash pad.
Just something to consider.
Just something to consider.
#988
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I've got no skin in this game but I'll give some friendly advice to the young bucks who want to stay in the PNW and at the same time are whining about lower than "industry standard" pay (whatever that is). Commuting sucks beyond belief as does paying to shack up with other pilots in a stinking crash pad.
Just something to consider.
Just something to consider.
This isn't a thread filled with QXers looking for sympathy, we have consistently been warning off others from making the same mistake as us. Pilots are a scarcer commodity than 4+ years ago, and our management refuses acknowledge that. Instead, they chose to violate our legally negotiated bargaining agreement to make up for their lack of planning.
QX is living on borrowed time, otherwise our management wouldn't be blatantly and ILLEGALLY disbursing a paltry 10k check to new hires.
#989
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Hey guys, obviously new here. Just wanted to confirm this pre-hire bonus at Horizon if possible. They are giving people 10k to take a class date and pay that out before the individual even shows up to class without requiring them to sign any type of commitment? Is that correct? Has anyone actually received the bonus? @Griever, can you fill me in on the illegality of offering this bonus? Thanks!
#990
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Hey guys, obviously new here. Just wanted to confirm this pre-hire bonus at Horizon if possible. They are giving people 10k to take a class date and pay that out before the individual even shows up to class without requiring them to sign any type of commitment? Is that correct? Has anyone actually received the bonus? @Griever, can you fill me in on the illegality of offering this bonus? Thanks!
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