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Old 10-22-2015, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pete2800 View Post
That about sums it up. For the record... there was a video somewhere from Mesa's union people that included a cost comparison for regional pilots. It showed QX being about 10% more expensive than SkyWest.
With Skywest's new payscales, rigs, etc. I have a hard time seeing how Horizon pilots cost more than them. We have pretty good insurance here and a slightly better 401k, but we also pay our own LTD which adds up to quite a lot of money.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Phteven View Post
it's about NOT TAKING A ****ING CONCESSION IN 2015. Especially to cave to the fear of downsizing.
Preach it brother.
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Originally Posted by The Supreme Leader
Importantly, no one is being asked for a reduction in their hourly rate of pay
Just about everything else though.

-They expect us to fly at Q400 rates (concession)
-Losing SAP for PBS (massive ****ing concession)
-"aircraft movement" over brake release/door closure (concession)
-possible loss of trip/duty rigs (concession)

They already gutted our 401k's and we pay a ton of money for LTD so they can't take much more from there, but they would if they could.

Man, F--- ALASKA.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores View Post
-"aircraft movement" over brake release/door closure (concession)
-possible loss of trip/duty rigs (concession)

I've heard these two things discussed on the line, but I don't recall seeing it in a mgmt email or hearing it at a town hall meeting. I know they tried pulling the a/c movement thing on the FA's but they shot that down pretty quickly.

Then again, we know basically nothing about what they are actually negotiating so...


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Old 10-23-2015, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores View Post
Just about everything else though.

-They expect us to fly at Q400 rates (concession)
-Losing SAP for PBS (massive ****ing concession)
-"aircraft movement" over brake release/door closure (concession)
-possible loss of trip/duty rigs (concession)

They already gutted our 401k's and we pay a ton of money for LTD so they can't take much more from there, but they would if they could.

Man, F--- ALASKA.
Burn it down!
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Old 10-23-2015, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800 View Post
That about sums it up. For the record... there was a video somewhere from Mesa's union people that included a cost comparison for regional pilots. It showed QX being about 10% more expensive than SkyWest.
Here's the video:



The cost comparison chart is about 14 minutes in.

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Old 10-23-2015, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e View Post
Here's the video:



The cost comparison chart is about 14 minutes in.

Average stage length at QX is about an hour, maybe less with the routes given to skywest this year. Every Q400 has 76 seats. If you adjust QX for stage length and break it down per seat mile, it would be apparent our costs are much lower than they appear. It's easy to skew the data to show what you want. And for the Alaska guys who think this flying we lost was theirs in the first place, you never flew many of these routes. Example SAN-FAT and SLC-BOI. After the air group adds 50 more ER175's maybe you will learn this costs Alaska pilots jobs. All jets should be at Alaska, remaining flying should be flown by QX. HR does a great job of hiring yes voters up at big brother.
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Old 10-24-2015, 04:56 AM
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When is your contract amenable....Why would you considering a TA that essentialy guts your contract when you are not in contract negotiations....sounds fishy, smells fishy....
 
Old 10-24-2015, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit View Post
When is your contract amenable....Why would you considering a TA that essentialy guts your contract when you are not in contract negotiations....sounds fishy, smells fishy....

I believe it is amendable in two years. That's exactly what I'm voting for - NO VOTE. Watch them still give us the jets without adjustments to our contract. It's a game of chicken, will they burn the place down or are they bluffing? Only one way to find out. We don't have a "top-tier" contract (a popular buzzword in mgmt these days), it's okay, but not the best or worst, and certainly not so far ahead of the pack that concessions are worth discussing.

Nonetheless, I agree with the statement above, these airplanes should be at Alaska. Austin? Milwaukee? Omaha? From the PNW? If that's considered "regional flying" then Alaska is hosed, unless Alaska pilots want to shrink down to nothing but transcons and Hawaii runs.


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Old 10-24-2015, 02:01 PM
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In 2013 we voted yes to a concessionary contract that runs for 5 years and we did vote to shrink down to transcons/ hawaii and a speck of central america.....
 
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