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Southerner 08-16-2017 07:03 PM

Crew members hospitalized after fume event
 
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Arliss 08-16-2017 07:51 PM

I had to divert last week due to an electrical burning smell. UAX.

DirkDiggler 08-16-2017 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2411839)
Fume events are being reported insdustry wide with high frequency. But since you're upset let's play along and pretend that this is isolated to JB.

The unfortunate thing is fume events are not actually getting reported in the masses, just in the news but no central repository. Most airlines aren't following recommended guidance from ICAO with ICAO 344 (http://fdx.alpa.org/portals/26/docs/...rc.344edit.pdf). And the FAA is basically turning a blind eye and allowing each airline to figure it out on their own.

Lets hope this Cabin Air Safety Act gets passed to establish a framework. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...nate-bill/1626

NightOwl 08-16-2017 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by Papa Bear (Post 2411944)
Well hopefully you never have to know people who are never coming back to the line because of this.
From the sound of it your world is...well it didn't happen to me I don't understand it...so it's fake news!

No, I completely sympathize with the people that suffered from actual smoke/odor/fume events. I've been in that situation a few times myself.
But what I'm trying to understand is why now ? Why the sudden uptick in these fume/odor events ? Are we doing something different mx wise that now all of sudden we have this happening almost every week.

atrdriver 08-17-2017 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by NightOwl (Post 2412088)
No, I completely sympathize with the people that suffered from actual smoke/odor/fume events. I've been in that situation a few times myself.
But what I'm trying to understand is why now ? Why the sudden uptick in these fume/odor events ? Are we doing something different mx wise that now all of sudden we have this happening almost every week.

Have you not noticed the maintenance budget has been slashed since early this year? It seems these events became very common around the same time. It's not hard to connect the dots and see we are going toward an Allegiant model when it comes to mx.

RiddleEagle18 08-17-2017 06:11 AM

Crew members hospitalized after fume event
 

Originally Posted by NightOwl (Post 2412088)
No, I completely sympathize with the people that suffered from actual smoke/odor/fume events. I've been in that situation a few times myself.

But what I'm trying to understand is why now ? Why the sudden uptick in these fume/odor events ? Are we doing something different mx wise that now all of sudden we have this happening almost every week.



Because we just recently became aware of what dirty sock smell was. I've smelled it multiple times in my career. We always chocked it up to dirty or wet packs. We weren't aware of tcp poisoning until a crusade by a spirit FO who is out work probably forever started briefing all the MEC's within ALPA.

Then one of our own had it happen to him and he is out probably forever with respiratory issues, and it's even effecting is mental functions. He couldn't even remember his birthday!

The FAA also signed off on an extended seal replacement schedule that is nearly 10x's the previous length.

The reason for the uptick is simply an increased awareness of what is actually happening! I applaud it!


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say again 08-17-2017 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 2412203)
Because we just recently became aware of what dirty sock smell was. I've smelled it multiple times in my career. We always chocked it up to dirty or wet packs. We weren't aware of tcp poisoning until a crusade by a spirit FO who is out work probably forever started briefing all the MEC's within ALPA.

Then one of our own had it happen to him and he is out probably forever with respiratory issues, and it's even effecting is mental functions. He couldn't even remember his birthday!

The FAA also signed off on an extended seal replacement schedule that is nearly 10x's the previous length.

The reason for the uptick is simply an increased awareness of what is actually happening! I applaud it!


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This right here. People are now more aware and just don't pass it off as some dirty/wet pack issue.

Chief Brody 08-17-2017 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 2412203)
Because we just recently became aware of what dirty sock smell was. I've smelled it multiple times in my career. We always chocked it up to dirty or wet packs. We weren't aware of tcp poisoning until a crusade by a spirit FO who is out work probably forever started briefing all the MEC's within ALPA.

Then one of our own had it happen to him and he is out probably forever with respiratory issues, and it's even effecting is mental functions. He couldn't even remember his birthday!

The FAA also signed off on an extended seal replacement schedule that is nearly 10x's the previous length.

The reason for the uptick is simply an increased awareness of what is actually happening! I applaud it!


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Forgive my ignorance. I have not heard of the TCP poisoning. I have had the dirty sock smell before but never got an answer as to what caused. it! Where can I find more info?

CFI2766 08-17-2017 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 2412225)
Forgive my ignorance. I have not heard of the TCP poisoning. I have had the dirty sock smell before but never got an answer as to what caused. it! Where can I find more info?

Chronic exposure and genetic variation are major factors as to why crew members may have a different response vs the person who flies once every 5 years.

Some interesting papers:
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/asset...yndrom_ENG.pdf

http://aerotoxic.org/wp-content/uplo...july-20141.pdf

http://www.susanmichaelis.com/pdf/Ho...ffects-%20.pdf

There is a ton of info out there on this topic. Over the past few years it has started to come into the spotlight.

Chief Brody 08-17-2017 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by CFI2766 (Post 2412230)
Chronic exposure and genetic variation are major factors as to why crew members may have a different response vs the person who flies once every 5 years.

Some interesting papers:
http://www.euro.who.int/__data/asset...yndrom_ENG.pdf

http://aerotoxic.org/wp-content/uplo...july-20141.pdf

http://www.susanmichaelis.com/pdf/Ho...ffects-%20.pdf

There is a ton of info out there on this topic. Over the past few years it has started to come into the spotlight.


Good stuff !! Thanks!!


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