Southerner

I don’t take offense to truthful statements. I take offense to hyperbole and political axe grinding.

I don’t deny that we need a CBA. Never have. But we are not a “toss up” between us and a regional. That’s just flat not true. Anyone who honestly believes that either isn’t looking past the first year, or hasn’t worked at a regional or major airline, and thus isn’t qualified to make that statement. Those who have understand how crazy that statement is.

Stick to the facts, and I’ll never object. Start making up BS and/or spouting hyperbole because it suits your narrative, and I will counter it. It’s quite simple.

Gearswinger

What’s up with the blue glove comments? I have yet to clean an airplane, and no one has ever said a word to me or given me any attitude about it. If people are cleaning planes then they are deciding to do so on their own. It is not in our manuals to do it, so unless you’re looking for some sweet togetherness time with the FAs, sit in the cockpit or walk off the plane. If you are non revving, pick up your seat, put the arm rest up and cross the belts and leave. Maybe this clean the plane garbage was an issue in the past but as someone who has been here about a year, it sure isn’t in 2017.

Bozo the pilot

Yes - I wouldn't tell guys to turn down B6 for a regional, but I do advise them to look at B6 as a stepping stone airline that provides a valuable type rating and experience to parlay into a legacy job with true protections and considerations.
Jetblue is definitely a step above the regionals but a few steps below a Major.
B6 management better get off their a$$ and get a TA out. Aside from the juicers, we're fed up as a pilot group.

CaptCoolHand

Did you forget? You have to sacrifice to work here. Those other airlines are failed models. We have a moat and culture and jetblue pilots don’t want to be paid the most... they want to be paid the longest. Please don’t forget the secret sauce that goes in the sweet spot. But my personal favorite, you don’t want a raise, you’ll just buy more toys.

Southerner

I don’t personally feel that this company is merely a stepping stone, but I know that some do, and that’s their prerogative. So from that perspective, I don’t disagree with what you said.

PasserOGas

So because this place has nosedived in QOL and relative pay I should stay and sing its praises? In this environment, right now B6 is a stepping stone. There are better stepping stones than B6 to serve that purpose. If you are here 10 years from now as a new hire you will have made much less than your peers who leave for a real airline. You will have failed.

This doesnt apply to current Capts, newhires only.

BuckeyeFO

Based on the PMs I've received...people think I'm trolling this thread.

That is not the case. I want JB to be a career airline. Unfortunately, for people applying now (as this is a thread regarding a gateway program) it is sadly not the case UNLESS YOU LIVE IN THE NORTHEAST.

The pay, work-rules, and career advancement is just not there.
If your career goal is to work for a major airline (UAL/DL/AA/SWA), it IS a toss up about whether JB or a "good" regional would be the better stepping stone. An Airbus type is not as helpful as PIC time or a flow program.

That is not to say that JB isn't a better job than a regional, but unless you live in the Northeast - very few people are applying or taking a class at JB with the intentions of staying there.

Hopefully 2018 will result in a CBA that puts JB pilots with their peers at the top of the industry.

Bozo the pilot

The juicers hate the truth. B6=stepping stone for now anyway.

pilotpayne

No I was talking to you.
Looks like it worked out for JetBlue you me and swa, go be happy.
Like you said an outside perspective.

pilotpayne

Well that caveat of new hires was not in your first post, so that’s where it was confusing. There were not many airlines hiring in 2007.