jetBlue or Spirit
02-09-2018, 11:28 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 63
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
100% verifiable fact. That's JetBlue culture.
The culture of threatening your employees if they fail to work for free. Any prospective job applicant needs to understand that this is the reality of "culture" at jetblue...work for free or else...
Hey jetblue...FUPM,
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02-09-2018, 11:43 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by blueballs
I’ve been here for over 5 years. No one has yet to force me to clean. I’ve been scorned and threatened but never forced. In spite of a certain EVP here saying she wants names of people that do not clean so she can take care of it. I have yet to receive a call or email to discipline me. They can’t force you to do anything and if the day ever comes that they try to discipline me....my mec speaks for me.
BlueBalls, don't count on your MEC helping you in any way. Firstly, they can only follow contractual obligations and laws. You probably took the online training and signed the legally binding contract at the end. Regardless, they wrote it in their manuals. I don't think you have any legal recourse the way things are now. Secondly, the MEC had an opportunity to attack JB on their policy and all they did was to grieve the fact that you didn't get paid to take the trsining. They grieved the wrong thing!!! They can do a lot more (hear that Union guys???? contact me!!!!) but they lack the will to do so. Remember that so far we only have 3 years of failure... no contract. I only care about results, not intentions, not parades, not lanyards...
Force is a nebulous term. You are contractually obligated to clean. -- in fact it's the ONLY contract you poor devils have. (The PEA is crap because it always ends in arbitration kangaroo court... e.g 3A). Short of gunpoint, that's pretty forceful.
I kindly ask that you do not lower your standards by being accepting of a statistically insignificant personal experience to rationalize saying the blackmail cleaning contract is okay.
You are a professional. Don’t ever forget!
02-09-2018, 11:47 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by Xtreme87
My question is, if they do pull your myIDtravel access for not cleaning, what does that mean for commuters? Is that even possible?
- they said they would
- theres's no law saying they have to commute you to work
- theres no contract governing pass riding that prevents them from asking you to clean
They can do whatever they want as long as we tolerate it. That is the legal truth, and thus all that matters.
02-09-2018, 11:55 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,001
Originally Posted by Otterbox
Bad advice... never turn down a class date at a place better than we’re youre currently at for continuation in an interview process somewhere else. Until you’re in class at your destination of choice take the best (or only in this case) option on the table at the time.
02-09-2018, 11:56 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by aldonite7667
You can not be contractually obligated to do anything for free.
Until you go to court to have them make case law saying ”You can not be contractually obligated to do anything for free.”, you are legally obligated. Sorry but that is the legal truth.
The problem is the industry has working for free as an industry standard... e.g. FAs don’t get paid till the door closes. Again sorry but I read a legal brief on this and it doesn’t look good for what you said.
Now, I vehemently AGREE WITH YOU. But, our useless PEA will not help nor will our union, unless they decide to try more things.
Btw, I support my union strongly but I expect results. So far no deliverables.
02-09-2018, 12:00 PM
#38
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,132
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Requires significant emphasis
By the way, I expect the contract to address this issue.
By the way, I expect the contract to address this issue.
02-09-2018, 12:37 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,316
Originally Posted by queue
It had better specifically disallow us being indentured into any servitude not specifically and positively allowed in our contract. And, we shall NEVER CLEAN or else we will vote out our MEC and publicly shame them.
02-09-2018, 12:59 PM
#40
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: JetRight, JetLeft
Posts: 760
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
100% verifiable fact. That's JetBlue culture.
Reminds me of Darth Vader altering the deal with Landau. "Pray that I don't alter it further".
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