jetBlue or Spirit
02-09-2018, 01:29 PM
#41
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Fair warning spirit training is extremely condensed. I know a few people with pink slips in their file because of that check ride. It isn’t aqp and for some it is their first experience with an old school checkride. Nothing crazy but there is added stress. I spent time at Blue and the people there were great but their “5 values” are just lip service. You are a number and will suffer the consequences of inept managers making policies with zero industry experience. It felt very much like a large regional.
Spirit’s profits are some of the highest in the industry. JetBlue is middle of the pack with extreme cost advantages that will be going away. If their fa’s unionize and the pilots get a TA they will be in the realm of the big three profit margin wise without the network of international travelers . I would go to spirit. It will still be a Mickey Mouse operation at times but it is comfortable owning what it is. They make money through a cheap product that aggravates the consumer but that same consumers cheapness is a market constant.
Spirit’s profits are some of the highest in the industry. JetBlue is middle of the pack with extreme cost advantages that will be going away. If their fa’s unionize and the pilots get a TA they will be in the realm of the big three profit margin wise without the network of international travelers . I would go to spirit. It will still be a Mickey Mouse operation at times but it is comfortable owning what it is. They make money through a cheap product that aggravates the consumer but that same consumers cheapness is a market constant.
02-09-2018, 02:05 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
Fair warning spirit training is extremely condensed. I know a few people with pink slips in their file because of that check ride. It isn’t aqp and for some it is their first experience with an old school checkride. Nothing crazy but there is added stress. I spent time at Blue and the people there were great but their “5 values” are just lip service. You are a number and will suffer the consequences of inept managers making policies with zero industry experience. It felt very much like a large regional.
Spirit’s profits are some of the highest in the industry. JetBlue is middle of the pack with extreme cost advantages that will be going away. If their fa’s unionize and the pilots get a TA they will be in the realm of the big three profit margin wise without the network of international travelers . I would go to spirit. It will still be a Mickey Mouse operation at times but it is comfortable owning what it is. They make money through a cheap product that aggravates the consumer but that same consumers cheapness is a market constant.
Spirit’s profits are some of the highest in the industry. JetBlue is middle of the pack with extreme cost advantages that will be going away. If their fa’s unionize and the pilots get a TA they will be in the realm of the big three profit margin wise without the network of international travelers . I would go to spirit. It will still be a Mickey Mouse operation at times but it is comfortable owning what it is. They make money through a cheap product that aggravates the consumer but that same consumers cheapness is a market constant.
Originally Posted by Aquaticus
You guys want to fly to europe making 40% less than your peers, staying at aloft's across the street from the airport, mediocre healthcare, dealing with some fly by night 401k servicer, and with work rules that make legacies look like retirement. JetBlue cannot keep their profit where it was in 2015 with the aggressive delivery of aircraft they have slated. Look at deltas 3q earnings statement. There is a softening of ticketing revenue and it is predicted to only get worse. You are going to have 30 new planes with new routes generating a loss within the next year. Starting service to ATL, again, is an excercise in futility. Arguing over 10% or 15% of a tiny number is stupid. JetBlue wont have a profit like 2015 in the near future.
JetBlue's newhire classes consist of 50% people that cannot move on to a legacy either due to flight time or other issues. This is why they did that. They know they have you for your career. Why would they offer something out of the goodness of their hearts?
JetBlue's newhire classes consist of 50% people that cannot move on to a legacy either due to flight time or other issues. This is why they did that. They know they have you for your career. Why would they offer something out of the goodness of their hearts?
As for the poster I would go with the first class date and go from there. The crew I just talked to the FO came from Spirit so it does happen. Will you have a contract yes will it be the new one, looking at the Spirit thread it does not seem so. Also ease of commute or living in base would be a huge factor to me. Good luck man
02-09-2018, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy
When i startrd we werent required to clean, we were asked to help. Now JB threatens to take away your travel privileges if you don't clean when non-revving.
Reminds me of Darth Vader altering the deal with Landau. "Pray that I don't alter it further".
Gup
Reminds me of Darth Vader altering the deal with Landau. "Pray that I don't alter it further".
Gup
02-09-2018, 02:38 PM
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I think BlueBalls is simply bringing out the fact that there's not an ongoing witch hunt to produce a list of non-cleaning non-rev non-juicers. His attempt to dissipate paranoia.
JG was in a pocket session infront of her boss and on a roll with the mic, as she pandered to the paid to attend inflight audience. No one cares.
Que- Your point about the PEA and 3A, especially how neither holds a grain of sand in court, is precisely the reason that the CBA is vital to the pilot group. Ive never vehemently supported the union, but in this industry a CBA is key. Jblue always wins when it comes to making their own rules and changing the ones they no longer wish to acknowledge.
-Bubs
JG was in a pocket session infront of her boss and on a roll with the mic, as she pandered to the paid to attend inflight audience. No one cares.
Que- Your point about the PEA and 3A, especially how neither holds a grain of sand in court, is precisely the reason that the CBA is vital to the pilot group. Ive never vehemently supported the union, but in this industry a CBA is key. Jblue always wins when it comes to making their own rules and changing the ones they no longer wish to acknowledge.
-Bubs
02-09-2018, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
I think BlueBalls is simply bringing out the fact that there's not an ongoing witch hunt to produce a list of non-cleaning non-rev non-juicers. His attempt to dissipate paranoia.
JG was in a pocket session infront of her boss and on a roll with the mic, as she pandered to the paid to attend inflight audience. No one cares.
Que- Your point about the PEA and 3A, especially how neither holds a grain of sand in court, is precisely the reason that the CBA is vital to the pilot group. Ive never vehemently supported the union, but in this industry a CBA is key. Jblue always wins when it comes to making their own rules and changing the ones they no longer wish to acknowledge.
-Bubs
JG was in a pocket session infront of her boss and on a roll with the mic, as she pandered to the paid to attend inflight audience. No one cares.
Que- Your point about the PEA and 3A, especially how neither holds a grain of sand in court, is precisely the reason that the CBA is vital to the pilot group. Ive never vehemently supported the union, but in this industry a CBA is key. Jblue always wins when it comes to making their own rules and changing the ones they no longer wish to acknowledge.
-Bubs
Between this and the hostage taking thread on BP I’m sacred to go to work....
02-10-2018, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Final Clear
...I can’t get a response from anyone either...
Hey jetblue...FUPM,
FC
Hey jetblue...FUPM,
FC
He has a work around for it. But I think he is in training so he might be busy.
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