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django 02-28-2018 06:13 AM

So to put it in perspective ...
If the CEO is paid 500gs plus the bonuses of 3mil.
And a CA earns 220 a year as a project manager .
Based on responsibility and time spent at the job, who is better off ?

atrdriver 02-28-2018 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by django (Post 2539177)
So to put it in perspective ...
If the CEO is paid 500gs plus the bonuses of 3mil.
And a CA earns 220 a year as a project manager .
Based on responsibility and time spent at the job, who is better off ?

Who is better off? The 320 CA earning 300+ at DL/UA.

To put it in perspective, do you work at LSC or OSC? Just wondering.

CaptCoolHand 02-28-2018 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by django (Post 2539177)
So to put it in perspective ...
If the CEO is paid 500gs plus the bonuses of 3mil.
And a CA earns 220 a year as a project manager .
Based on responsibility and time spent at the job, who is better off ?

Well if we’re talking about responsibility. generally if a CEO screws the pooch, 200+ lives don’t go up in a flaming plume of meat confetti.

Bluedriver 02-28-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2539233)
Well if we’re talking about responsibility. generally if a CEO screws the pooch, 200+ lives don’t go up in a flaming plume of meat confetti.

I *AGREE* with you. Plus, aren't JB pilots asked to act like "franchise owners"?

queue 02-28-2018 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2539233)
Well if we’re talking about responsibility. generally if a CEO screws the pooch, 200+ lives don’t go up in a flaming plume of meat confetti.

Also the knowledge requirement is significantly higher for a pilot than for a CEO. A CEO largely outsources expertise such as law and engineering. The really good CEOs are multi-disciplined (e.g. all the guys I mentioned before), but that isn't the norm. Most CEOs are just managers with subordinates doing the real thinking, innovation, and execution.

Pilots have to be experts (lawyers) in a large range of things that literally prints out to be a 26+ volume encyclopedia Britannica.

- 14 CFR (including Part 91, 25, 121, 135, etc.)
- OpSpecs
- FOM
- FCOM 1
- FCOM 2
- Various manuals such as WX Radar manual, FMS manual, etc.
- AIM
- ICAO regulations
- Jepp Airway Manual
- FAA Aviation Circulars
- FAA case law
- Meteorology
- Countless procedural ammendments through Comply 365.
- TSA regulations such as Inflight Security Coordinator.
- HAZMAT (will not carry) regulations
(and of course the 4 yr programs you might have gone through with an aviation university or military training)

Of course, that is just what you do now. Certainly the magnitude of information multiplies with each employer you've had. Your lifelong aviation education is substantially bigger and all necessary to the professional you are now. Remember guys like Sully had an education from flying gliders to dealing with emergencies in fighter jets.

Potentially any one of the fine-print subnotes on a single chart in an obscure manual on a single page buried amongst 10's of thousands of pages could result in an incident or catastrophe.

We have a profession that is exact, precise, and technical. It's not an art. Art allows for great deviation and extremely high error rates. We have a mission critical occupation and this is mostly why our level of responsibility is so high. Whether you fly a 9 seat private jet or a 200 seat A321, the element of mission critical is the same.

So yes, a CEO can screw the pooch all day and no one dies. We have a bad day and lots of people can pay for it.

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncsta...britannica.jpg

django 02-28-2018 08:59 AM

Again with the overstating Our position by way of hyperbole won’t further the cause.

But it is fun to see y’all going at it

django 02-28-2018 09:01 AM

But more to the point. We risk manage. Plain and simple. Complex and complicated.

django 02-28-2018 09:02 AM

And q it is an art to be an aviator as well as a science.

queue 02-28-2018 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by django (Post 2539360)
And q it is an art to be an aviator as well as a science.

The laws of physics must be different for such exceptional aviators such as yourself. You must also throw out all the manuals and regulations quite often.

queue 02-28-2018 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by django (Post 2539355)
Again with the overstating Our position by way of hyperbole won’t further the cause.

But it is fun to see y’all going at it

Care to qualify your statements?


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