FLICA bots
 

So, I just watched one guy pick up 30% of the mon-fri day turns in open time within seconds during the 48 hour FCFS window. Obviously this person is using a bot. Does anyone know where B6's policy for using a bot is located?

Does Jetblue use Flica?

If so read the END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT... bottom of the page

License.
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Yes, bots are being used. I heard this directly from an IT guy here at the company. Unfortunately it’s a game of cat and mouse to catch and to prove their use. But it’s wildly obvious that they are being used in FLL.

Then he goes and puts them all on the tradeboard.

Douchey. Very douchy indeed.

They could add Captcha or many equivalents to the code (to submit only).

I think they should let you use bots. Then we could all buy them and it would even the playing field.

Its a losing battle, and pointless.

They have caught people in the past using bots, but yet, they still work here.

I love the guys using bots (or no bots) scooping up anything high credit that drops in open time! All for straight pay! This pilot group is so f'ing stupid!

Hey man, dont you put that evil on me. I was trading (or attempting to.) Big diff.

We had pilots picking up 10 hour 3 days in the last IROP.... for straight time.... that is smaht

To be clear, there is nothing wrong with picking up open time.

I wasn’t aware we had 10 hour three days.

I think that post was from 2018.

Spirit has the lock on 10 hour 3 days in LAS so you guys don't be jealous now.

Dont worry, ours are all packaged neatly in a 4day/20hr trip where you fly some incredibly productive day turn on Day 1, layover at hotel in base, then fly the crap 3day after.

Better trip rig/min daily credit needs to be in the JCBA

Do the math on a 1/3 TAFB rig. Would solve both the pay productivity and commutability issues simultaneously. Uncommutable trips would pay a lot for locals and also give financial incentives to build many commutable trips for commuters. All in one simple TAFB rig.

Agree and I hope we get it, the problem is everyone in the industry is at 3.5/1. Not impossible, but gets more difficult to negotiate.

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Industry standard was 5 hours per day ADG, and that's gone up. So improvement from industry standard is possible, especially in this JCBA.

Even a 1/3.25 would be a step in the right direction. I just think this would be such a pay/QOL silver bullet that it should warrant a big push and an incremental improvement from current.

Absolutely, 1/3 trip rig, 6hr min daily guar would force more productivity

The CBA is crystal clear on this subject: it's first-come, first-serve--period. It doesn't specify any exceptions or modifiers regarding what methods or means a pilot uses to be "the first."

If the company dips their toe into defining what methods are "acceptable" vs. "not acceptable" re: picking up trips on Flica, they're going to end up spending hundreds of hours of time and effort (and thus money) refereeing disputes between individual pilots who are using various methods to gain a temporal edge.

I've never used a bot in my life, nor would I ever (too afraid of being accused of lacking integrity and getting into trouble). But I completely understand why the company is staying out of the weeds on this subject, especially when they don't even own the IT infrastructure on which any of these transactions take place.

On the blue side we’ve seen Flight Ops get involved with the bot hunt, particularly after there are complaints about the issue.

And in lieu of all of that they’ll just fire said pilot for being logged into flica while their “bot” on the ground picks something up!

As they SHOULD.

Meantime in MCO when premium drops….

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Wouldn’t you also end up with way more min rest overnights and horrible, SWA-style pairings where you’re constantly doing exhausting 4 leg days?

Plenty of folks here do not want that—productivity isn’t the only singular reason we come to work. Many of us actually like the chill 24 hour island overnights and miss stacking those easy 13:30 3 days.

There are significant differences between ours and LUV’s flying. I don’t think you could produce many 4 leg days with our network. LUV benefits from always having another short segment to tack on to add productivity. The bulk of our Airbus hours are transcon and NE to FL.

Wait till you add in our (NK’s) route map…. We used to have cush 1 & 2 leg days with really long overnights, then our route map filled in, and penalty laps were added to what were 1-leg days…

Yeah ! I love BDL and AUS penalty laps out of MCO on the last day !

I think having 1/3 or 1/3.25 TAFB rig without adding the 6 hour min day would be better, partly for that reason. A financial disincentive to make every trip start early and end late.

I've seen a lot of trips that were not commutable, but could have been if they reordered the flying. Putting the red-eyes at the end of the trip instead of in the middle for example. They used to be mostly at the end (east coast bases) except for the double 13:30s as you say (precombined or pilot combined). Then they started putting the red-eyes in the middle of the trip, making you end late, while still only paying 20 hours, because it wouldn't trigger any more TAFB rig.

Have a stronger TAFB rig and there is a financial disincentive to make trips longer FOR NO REASON.
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Came across flicabiddingbot.com

Wonder how it works.

Amen! I do not like "productive" trips like SWA. Sure, you make a ton of credit in a short amount of time, but it's exhausting. It takes me an entire day after the trip to feel normal again.