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I am aware of that.

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I'm anti-JB management and ALPA poor performance. I hope you sheep and apologists start dissenting against both establishments. Why is ALPA making 1st year FO's pay 1.9%+? 1.9% is A LOT of money at 1st or even 2nd year pay rates.


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BeatNavy

<$1k dues for first year peeps. Next.

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You are free to think what you want, obviously. My allegiance is to making this industry respected and well paid. My second allegiance is to anyone or any organization that accomplishes that end. Currently, ALPA is the establishment means to that end. However, it doesn't mean that I am happy with the overall performance of ALPA with respect to JB and other airlines. The RLA came out between 1926 and 1936, yet ALPA has not managed to politically reform it to be more friendly towards the employee. RLA is merely controlled opposition that companies exploit to our detriment. We need a coordinated effort to reform the RLA to make it employee friendly, so that we can get contracts in 30 days (a reasonable timeframe) instead of 5 years, which is pathetic by any measure. Of course most pilots don't know much about the rest of the world so they are happy with 5+ year labor disputes, which is in itself a problem.

While I do agree with ALPA as a whole, I am concerned with improving its performance. Yes, JB stole your profit sharing and your industry average wages for over a decade. There's no debate about that. To me, they are the most unethical and immoral people I've ever met. But, I won't accept this false choice between accepting ALPA as it is because they are better than the opposition. ALPA needs significant improvement. Read through those LM-2 reports and see for yourself if there aren't ways to save money. Every penny counts. I'd rather pay 1.0%, then take votes to pay higher rates TEMPORARILY when it is needed for more signs, more lawyers, more lawsuits, etc., but not the current permanent basis they use now. If ALPA had a solid case to use the legal system to get results tomorrow, I'd be happy to temporarily increase my ALPA payment to 3-5% if we all voted (e.g. 65%+) that it is a good course of action to take.


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It's not anti-union. It's pro-union. It's about fixing and improving systemic deficiencies. It's about getting your money's worth. How is that a bad thing?

It's been how long and we still don't have an industry leading contract?


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CaptCoolHand

I’m all for multi tasking... but man you’re a mess. Narrow the beam. Focus just a little. Pick 2 or three.

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Be safe
Fly sop
Wear your lanyards

And hey please make sure you fill out the survey.

I think you and hyperboy might switch names! He’s more of an enigma and you seem to just spaz about.

BlueJetDork

You are flamer baiter. A drive by poster.

You offer up a document and then provide zero context and then flame that expenses are outrageous.

You are acting like a chick!!

What is your solution?

For instance, our NC has been in HQ for years. Should they pack their own lunches. Remember none of then live in VA. Should they camp at the KOA and then skate board to HQ or is the talking the bus allowed in your world?

What about the national convention. Should that be cancelled and all MECs video conference? Is that how unity and best practices are shared in your world?

You are joke. You only offer ... "look ALPA spent $68K on catering and I wanna pay less" (sniff).

From what I have seen JBUALPA is run overly efficient. Stupid efficient. For instance, when traveling to and from meetings the representatives are expected to jump seat. Personally, I think that BS. They should have full fare tickets provided to them by Jetblue pilots. Some reps had to sit in a 737 jumpseat from DCA to LAX last year and that is total BS.

I guess you think that is cool and you are smiling while muttering make those SOBs buy their own seat if they don't want to get injured.

Greedy SOBs.

Maybe you are the greedy SOB!

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What context do you need? I assume you can read. There are reports there which encompass national ALPA (which is where those screenshots are from) then there are more detailed results which show the expenses at individual airlines. Do I need to go through and find every single juicy expense and post them for you?

ONE of my solutions is to prohibit all mass travel unless it's absolutely necessary for legal reasons. I have already mentioned to you several times that this is standard practice at many large corporations, of which I have personally been party to prior to my aviation career and currently. What are the requirements of your face to face meetings? Security? Sharing documents? Interacting with voice? You would be surprised how obsolete face to face meetings are. When you go travel for a meeting, how much of it is done in actual effect of the bottom line? If you meet for 8 hrs per day, and there are 24 hours in a day, then you spend 33% of the day doing business and 66% of the day not doing my (paid for) business. And, what is the overhead cost of keeping you doing ALPA business for 33% of the day?

ALPA is conducting itself like a dinosaur. It's bloated, inefficient, not-innovative, and struggles just to keep up with basic technology. You probably don't see this based on your limited knowledge. Surely if the MILITARY can use technology to cut costs, so can ALPA.

You can try to turn this into an emotional debate/trap by victimizing JBALPA but it doesn't change anything I've said.

You can call me greedy all day long but I do not exist to be a funding source for ALPA. ALPA owes me results, or I will get rid of you. The equation would be different if ALPA was a charity but ALPA requires dues through force of contract. I am not impressed with the limited experience, limited skills, and limited thinking of the ALPA establishment. I want ALPA to be a crack team of commandos that run like an elite military unit to deliver results.



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Check.
Check.
Check.
and Check.

I simply want to see ALPA be SIGNIFICANTLY more effective than it currently is. This process begins with problem identification, followed by options brainstorming, followed by execution, and closing the loop with iterating feedback. It's a non-stop process of continuous improvement.


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AYLflyer

Because in our situation, year 1 pilots are not on prohibition and are full protected card carrying members of ALPA who are able to vote. Other airlines who already have a contract don't operate that way. If you're gonna have a vote, you're going to pay.

The ONLY thing I don't like about the 1.9% is the way they calculate the cost of it. IMO it should be 1.9% of your base pay and that's it.

So...1.9% of Hourly rate X 70hrs (or 75 on reserve) X 12 months. I don't like that if you start working tons of OT or over your guarantee that you are charged more. Other than that, as someone who came from 2 non-union shops prior to JB, I'm very happy to have representation and someone looking out for it's pilots.