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symbian simian 07-04-2018 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2627902)
Well at least you found the gnat sh!t in all that pepper.
Its not an impactful part of the TA, but I appreciate the effort SS.
Now best of luck with the Spirit lifestyle threads. ;)

Like I said, I have no vote in this thing. I was a Yes vote at NK, so not a hardcore NO guy. Before NK I worked for a very at will company that went bust just around the time the union got voted in. I have friends and family who commute, I have commuted for the last two decades, so maybe I'm biased. I do believe half of the jb pilots commute, so I think calling this a non impact item is a bit short sighted.

BeatNavy 07-04-2018 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2627994)
Like I said, I have no vote in this thing. I was a Yes vote at NK, so not a hardcore NO guy. Before NK I worked for a very at will company that went bust just around the time the union got voted in. I have friends and family who commute, I have commuted for the last two decades, so maybe I'm biased. I do believe half of the jb pilots commute, so I think calling this a non impact item is a bit short sighted.

For such a commuter heavy airline and with such a low value TA for monetary items, I would have thought the NC would have demanded, and the company would have agreed to a much better commuter policy, and done away with the dependability nonsense. Nothing surprises me here anymore though.

Bozo the pilot 07-05-2018 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dogpilot (Post 2627991)
You are pushing the sell hard, what is in it for you? Please don’t say a great contract, my buddy shared and it is leaky. Seriously bj’s all around from ALPA or what, because you are putting in work son!

Thanks for the pat on the back Dog. Its not so much that I love the TA, I just like to separate emotion from fact and get all perspectives.

The NO guys have some valid points that I hope they ask the NC/MEC, but when the ad hominem attacks, that have come from mostly the NO voters continue, this becomes more fun.
How bout this Dog, since you are completely "objective":rolleyes:
List your yays and nays without characterizing others' positions or using conjecture and accusation. If you want, pm me, but few have the stones for that right Doggy?
Peace
Bz

benzoate 07-05-2018 06:45 AM

If you are looking for clarification on a section then the road shows are a must. Aside from that the NC or MEC wont be able to provide pilots the answers they are looking for.

Bozo the pilot 07-05-2018 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 2628123)
If you are looking for clarification on a section then the road shows are a must. Aside from that the NC or MEC wont be able to provide pilots the answers they are looking for.

Thats what I meant ben. I should have clarified.

queue 07-05-2018 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2628115)
I just like to separate emotion from fact and get all perspectives.

No, you just claim the high ground all the time. It's your marketing strategy to attempt to give your viewpoint legitimacy. If you're not emotional, why would you need to block people who disagree with you? You couldn't win with logic or reason, you couldn't win by personal attacks, so you block people now. Personally, I like it better this way because I can talk through you, but it shows who you really are.

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queue 07-05-2018 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 2628123)
If you are looking for clarification on a section then the road shows are a must. Aside from that the NC or MEC wont be able to provide pilots the answers they are looking for.


But be aware that the roadshow nor any promises from people giving speeches will change the legal language. If you graduated high school, you have all the tools you need to read the language. The words matter. If it's not written precisely, then it doesn't exist. Remember that BJ pushes everything to the legal limit. TA 1.0 contains many legal loopholes that I guarantee you will be exploited. Look at the way it legitimizes the Dependability Policy.. it's worse WITH the TA than without it because it now becomes contractual.

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