JetBlue finally has come to the table
05-14-2018, 07:20 PM
#101
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Why accept only what you are presented? If the AIP text released to us sucks, WE need to rewrite it and get our servant union to jump for us. If they find it too difficult to fight for us, then we simply keep voting NO. There's no reason to accept false choices or controlled opposition. If the company wants to get this done quickly, exploit that vulnerability. I'm pretty sure they will manipulate everyone here, and even the union to cave in to some degree. The second someone tells you "this is the best we're going to get", then you know they are doing the work of management.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-14-2018, 07:41 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by queue
Why accept only what you are presented? If the AIP text released to us sucks, WE need to rewrite it and get our servant union to jump for us. If they find it too difficult to fight for us, then we simply keep voting NO. There's no reason to accept false choices or controlled opposition. If the company wants to get this done quickly, exploit that vulnerability. I'm pretty sure they will manipulate everyone here, and even the union to cave in to some degree. The second someone tells you "this is the best we're going to get", then you know they are doing the work of management.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-14-2018, 08:12 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Unfortunately this company has many, many Southerners and hyperboys who probably voted against joining ALPA, and can not wait to vote yes to any contract so they can gey back to blowing Robin Hayes and Co. Also, rumors are expectations are already being managed. Not good. Unless you are Southerner.
"Managed expectations" is spot on, emphasis on the managed part.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
05-15-2018, 01:47 AM
#104
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Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Well, we are no longer in a labor dispute. Honestly I am about as jaded as they come, but what would refusing to be a helper gain you at this point? A better TA? Its already a done deal at this point. The company came to the table. The picket is cancelled. If we vote no and send it back, and the MEC calls a labor dispute then its game on.
My lanyard is still on, but my schedule just opened up.
Maybe your trigger is a CBA, and that is totally cool and I get it, but at some point we have to help fix this train wreck of a company. Our jobs depend on it.
My lanyard is still on, but my schedule just opened up.
Maybe your trigger is a CBA, and that is totally cool and I get it, but at some point we have to help fix this train wreck of a company. Our jobs depend on it.
05-15-2018, 03:15 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Unfortunately this company has many, many Southerners and hyperboys who probably voted against joining ALPA, and can not wait to vote yes to any contract so they can gey back to blowing Robin Hayes and Co. Also, rumors are expectations are already being managed. Not good. Unless you are Southerner.
05-15-2018, 03:31 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Lmao. Lemme get this straight.....you haven’t even seen the details of your TA and you’re back to being a “helper”? I’m glad you’re not part of my pilot group. Clueless....
Also, while I welcome imputs from other pilot groups regarding this process, coming into our forum and insulting people is a douche move.
Wasn't the last TA the only time SWA had to fight for pay in the least? Stop acting like YOU have any clue what is happening over here.
05-15-2018, 03:40 AM
#107
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Q comparing the Vietnam War to our Contract negotiations is a pretty tall order. But, anyways, the language of the the TA will be out soon and if it’s garbage then there’s no pressure taken off this summer. Guys will full press into a NO vote.
Q does present the need for the group to acknowledge that we may need to vote NO to the TA. It’s a real possibility.
However, look at the negative sentiment that seemed to permeate after the Spirit TA. Guys we’re saying no way they accept those work rules changes. A $40,000 signing bonus changes ALOT of opinions.
-Bubs
PS- Q has called me out as a teenage poster in using the the term “hater”. The only thing I can say is- Q, Don’t be a HATER!
Q does present the need for the group to acknowledge that we may need to vote NO to the TA. It’s a real possibility.
However, look at the negative sentiment that seemed to permeate after the Spirit TA. Guys we’re saying no way they accept those work rules changes. A $40,000 signing bonus changes ALOT of opinions.
-Bubs
PS- Q has called me out as a teenage poster in using the the term “hater”. The only thing I can say is- Q, Don’t be a HATER!
05-15-2018, 03:54 AM
#108
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Posts: 172
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I might have been a bit optimistic about our MEC and what they would agree to. What I am hearing now has me rescinding all of that.
Also, while I welcome imputs from other pilot groups regarding this process, coming into our forum and insulting people is a douche move.
Wasn't the last TA the only time SWA had to fight for pay in the least? Stop acting like YOU have any clue what is happening over here.
Also, while I welcome imputs from other pilot groups regarding this process, coming into our forum and insulting people is a douche move.
Wasn't the last TA the only time SWA had to fight for pay in the least? Stop acting like YOU have any clue what is happening over here.
MEC says nothing has changed yet fly SOP. That's pretty easy instructions. No RSA/VDA, no extensions until we have a CBA that is fully implemented.
05-15-2018, 04:01 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I might have been a bit optimistic about our MEC and what they would agree to. What I am hearing now has me rescinding all of that.
Also, while I welcome imputs from other pilot groups regarding this process, coming into our forum and insulting people is a douche move.
Wasn't the last TA the only time SWA had to fight for pay in the least? Stop acting like YOU have any clue what is happening over here.
Also, while I welcome imputs from other pilot groups regarding this process, coming into our forum and insulting people is a douche move.
Wasn't the last TA the only time SWA had to fight for pay in the least? Stop acting like YOU have any clue what is happening over here.
05-15-2018, 04:15 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,001
Originally Posted by seekingblue
what have you been hearing? I couldn't believe the NC would bring a AIP to a vote that was less than Alaska. I think expectations should be Alaska plus a few percent with a few better work rules and a better reserve system.
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