I still have the "caring" value, the company just removed the "trigger".

God I remember when RM said that. I was like WTF.

Part of the union buster strategy in dragging this out is to demoralize the union and its people. Demoralization is a psychological weapon that is highly effective. They know that the longer things go on, psychologically people will just want to get over things done. They know how to weaponize psychology by growing it inside of you. You become your own worst enemy. That's why I'm so opposed to long dispute cycles and why I think the RLA needs time limits. Right now the company gets to fight this battle on terms and timeline of THEIR choosing. Thus, they will always have the upper hand. Psych ops combined with timeline.

On Day 1 we start with high standards for the contract.

On Day 1000 we have low standards because we just want to get over with it (accepting sloppy seconds).

They know this and it's by design.

We must fight this by not accepting ANY compromises on our requirements. Notice I said "requirements" vs. "wishes". For example, scope is a requirement whereas free Mint food guaranteed is a wish.

Hopefully our people are smart enough not to sell out for monetary bait. We need to make sure everyone is onboard with pay AND rules without compromise or we will just end up unhappy for even more years. I guarantee you our careers can last a lot longer on strike than the careers of Robin and his VPs and SVPs. They are being pressured now by their overlords and we need to tighten the bolt to its torque specification, not just one or two turns. I promise you that the company and even the MEC will push some kind of compromise or false choices that we never have to accept.

Ok, I won't be a hater.



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Our standards never dropped. You are a fool.

That is a huge concern. It points out that ALPA hasn't done the best job educating the pilot group of all the facts. I think if people knew all the facts then the cause would sell itself. The problem is that we can't easily just discuss all the bad things BJ has done (for example) because it exposes the accuser, the victim, and legally puts people in jeopardy. However, we can take lessons learned from other airlines (American's pay vs. rules, Spirit's buyer's remorse) and attack from that viewpoint.

We can also control the language and concepts. For example, financial analysts love to frame things into categories. Have you noticed that BJ is considered a LCC and so they group us with SWA or similar. There is no mention of stratification towards the legacy 3, albeit we compete with them. No one ever challenges these classifications. In a sense, it's the same thing done in politics by the anti-gun lobby ("assault weapons" - a completely fake, made up, arbitrary nomenclature used to create a literary nemesis).

In the end, LCC is a designation of no legal definition. It's a marketing term and is often used to limit our own expectations. I've heard so many people say "an airline of this size", which is total B.S. Last time I checked, our ticket prices can be as low as Spirit but as high as Delta/United/American.

This article by Motley Fool demands lots of criticism on their framing of concepts. (LCC, increased pay compensated for by more productive work rules, etc.)

JetBlue Airways Closes in on a Pilot Contract

I hope we all decide not to allow wall street, the board, Robin & friends, the company apologists, and the media to define our thoughts by framing them in preconceived notions (e.g. we're just a LCC).

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Why don't you ask around. Or, just read these boards. Of course standards have always been pathetically low so most people here suffer from being the frog in the boiling water.

I don't care if you call me names. I only care about ideas. However, if you are bothered enough to call me names, I hope you are bothered enough to vote NO if there are any compromises in our high standards.


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Do I have a choice?

I'm merely reminding people that a NO vote needs to be on the table in case we are asked to compromise on requirements. This concept needs to be echo chambered to reach every cockpit.


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Don’t know. I was “aquired” not “hired” so I only know of the last contract cycle. What I do know is that you guys got an AIP and after several years of JBA $h!tting on you you’re still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

From your Avatar you were at AT? The Mesa of majors? Man worked out well for you being at SWA and all huh? Golden Ticket punched.

Dude. You need to read more of my posts before you come in here spouting off.