JetBlue finally has come to the table
#133
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Q comparing the Vietnam War to our Contract negotiations is a pretty tall order. But, anyways, the language of the the TA will be out soon and if it’s garbage then there’s no pressure taken off this summer. Guys will full press into a NO vote.
Q does present the need for the group to acknowledge that we may need to vote NO to the TA. It’s a real possibility.
Q does present the need for the group to acknowledge that we may need to vote NO to the TA. It’s a real possibility.
On Day 1 we start with high standards for the contract.
On Day 1000 we have low standards because we just want to get over with it (accepting sloppy seconds).
They know this and it's by design.
We must fight this by not accepting ANY compromises on our requirements. Notice I said "requirements" vs. "wishes". For example, scope is a requirement whereas free Mint food guaranteed is a wish.
However, look at the negative sentiment that seemed to permeate after the Spirit TA. Guys we’re saying no way they accept those work rules changes. A $40,000 signing bonus changes ALOT of opinions.
-Bubs
PS- Q has called me out as a teenage poster in using the the term “hater”. The only thing I can say is- Q, Don’t be a HATER!
-Bubs
PS- Q has called me out as a teenage poster in using the the term “hater”. The only thing I can say is- Q, Don’t be a HATER!
Ok, I won't be a hater.
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#134
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
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Our standards never dropped. You are a fool.
Part of the union buster strategy in dragging this out is to demoralize the union and its people. Demoralization is a psychological weapon that is highly effective. They know that the longer things go on, psychologically people will just want to get over things done. They know how to weaponize psychology by growing it inside of you. You become your own worst enemy. That's why I'm so opposed to long dispute cycles and why I think the RLA needs time limits. Right now the company gets to fight this battle on terms and timeline of THEIR choosing. Thus, they will always have the upper hand. Psych ops combined with timeline.
On Day 1 we start with high standards for the contract.
On Day 1000 we have low standards because we just want to get over with it (accepting sloppy seconds).
They know this and it's by design.
We must fight this by not accepting ANY compromises on our requirements. Notice I said "requirements" vs. "wishes". For example, scope is a requirement whereas free Mint food guaranteed is a wish.
Hopefully our people are smart enough not to sell out for monetary bait. We need to make sure everyone is onboard with pay AND rules without compromise or we will just end up unhappy for even more years. I guarantee you our careers can last a lot longer on strike than the careers of Robin and his VPs and SVPs. They are being pressured now by their overlords and we need to tighten the bolt to its torque specification, not just one or two turns. I promise you that the company and even the MEC will push some kind of compromise or false choices that we never have to accept.
Ok, I won't be a hater.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
On Day 1 we start with high standards for the contract.
On Day 1000 we have low standards because we just want to get over with it (accepting sloppy seconds).
They know this and it's by design.
We must fight this by not accepting ANY compromises on our requirements. Notice I said "requirements" vs. "wishes". For example, scope is a requirement whereas free Mint food guaranteed is a wish.
Hopefully our people are smart enough not to sell out for monetary bait. We need to make sure everyone is onboard with pay AND rules without compromise or we will just end up unhappy for even more years. I guarantee you our careers can last a lot longer on strike than the careers of Robin and his VPs and SVPs. They are being pressured now by their overlords and we need to tighten the bolt to its torque specification, not just one or two turns. I promise you that the company and even the MEC will push some kind of compromise or false choices that we never have to accept.
Ok, I won't be a hater.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#135
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We can also control the language and concepts. For example, financial analysts love to frame things into categories. Have you noticed that BJ is considered a LCC and so they group us with SWA or similar. There is no mention of stratification towards the legacy 3, albeit we compete with them. No one ever challenges these classifications. In a sense, it's the same thing done in politics by the anti-gun lobby ("assault weapons" - a completely fake, made up, arbitrary nomenclature used to create a literary nemesis).
In the end, LCC is a designation of no legal definition. It's a marketing term and is often used to limit our own expectations. I've heard so many people say "an airline of this size", which is total B.S. Last time I checked, our ticket prices can be as low as Spirit but as high as Delta/United/American.
This article by Motley Fool demands lots of criticism on their framing of concepts. (LCC, increased pay compensated for by more productive work rules, etc.)
JetBlue Airways Closes in on a Pilot Contract
I hope we all decide not to allow wall street, the board, Robin & friends, the company apologists, and the media to define our thoughts by framing them in preconceived notions (e.g. we're just a LCC).
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#136
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Why don't you ask around. Or, just read these boards. Of course standards have always been pathetically low so most people here suffer from being the frog in the boiling water.
I don't care if you call me names. I only care about ideas. However, if you are bothered enough to call me names, I hope you are bothered enough to vote NO if there are any compromises in our high standards.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
I don't care if you call me names. I only care about ideas. However, if you are bothered enough to call me names, I hope you are bothered enough to vote NO if there are any compromises in our high standards.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#137
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I'm merely reminding people that a NO vote needs to be on the table in case we are asked to compromise on requirements. This concept needs to be echo chambered to reach every cockpit.
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
#138
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,601
Don’t know. I was “aquired” not “hired” so I only know of the last contract cycle. What I do know is that you guys got an AIP and after several years of JBA $h!tting on you you’re still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
#139
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B6
Posts: 1,047
From your Avatar you were at AT? The Mesa of majors? Man worked out well for you being at SWA and all huh? Golden Ticket punched.
#140
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Dude. You need to read more of my posts before you come in here spouting off.
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