JetBlue finally has come to the table
05-15-2018, 03:41 PM
#141
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Originally Posted by The701Express
Don't forget about the survey many of us took back in January and the many more pilots who wanted, but were unable to join us. That's not behavior indicative of a pilot group that's resigned itself to accepting a below average contract.
The message this pilot group sent that day wasn't just toward management, displaying our anger and discontentment, but was also a show of support to the negotiating committee, MEC, and all of the other ALPA volunteers who have been working at and/or away from the bargaining table to bring us to this point.
Having spoken with some of them at the picket and afterwards, I don't think that message has been forgotten.
Passer, the internet by its nature tends to blow the extreme and ridiculous positions out of proportion and give them more prominence than they would have in the real world. It's the behavior and actions of this pilot group and our union leadership that has earned my respect and causes me to place my trust in them. Without knowing anything else, that's all I'm willing to say until more information is presented to me.
No matter how much we speculate about what caused and AIP to be reached this month, or what it contains, it doesn't change the fact that we have zero information regarding any of it.
None of us knows the results from the latest survey.
None of us knows what is contained within this AIP.
What we do know is that a pivotal point in many of our careers is upon us. Let's get this right so we can look back at the end of our careers with pride rather than regret. Whether that's a yes or no vote, none of us can make that call until we have the TA in front of us.
We can't allow speculation to muddy the waters and negatively affect ourselves before we have some very important, fact based discussions regarding a TA, if/when that is presented to the pilot group.
My suggestion:
We've all been rowing hard for over three years, some of us even longer than that. We deserve a breather. The weather is beautiful again, it's the pre-summer lull, we all have our own ways of recovering and grounding ourselves. Whatever it is, do that, because once the details of a TA are released, it'll be either a mad dash to the finish line, or more rowing, depending how we vote. Regardless, we need to be rested and ready to pass this test. We may soon each have the honor of voting for or against the first Jetblue pilot CBA. Our collective efforts have set the bar pretty high so far, let's not falter after achieving so much already.
The message this pilot group sent that day wasn't just toward management, displaying our anger and discontentment, but was also a show of support to the negotiating committee, MEC, and all of the other ALPA volunteers who have been working at and/or away from the bargaining table to bring us to this point.
Having spoken with some of them at the picket and afterwards, I don't think that message has been forgotten.
Passer, the internet by its nature tends to blow the extreme and ridiculous positions out of proportion and give them more prominence than they would have in the real world. It's the behavior and actions of this pilot group and our union leadership that has earned my respect and causes me to place my trust in them. Without knowing anything else, that's all I'm willing to say until more information is presented to me.
No matter how much we speculate about what caused and AIP to be reached this month, or what it contains, it doesn't change the fact that we have zero information regarding any of it.
None of us knows the results from the latest survey.
None of us knows what is contained within this AIP.
What we do know is that a pivotal point in many of our careers is upon us. Let's get this right so we can look back at the end of our careers with pride rather than regret. Whether that's a yes or no vote, none of us can make that call until we have the TA in front of us.
We can't allow speculation to muddy the waters and negatively affect ourselves before we have some very important, fact based discussions regarding a TA, if/when that is presented to the pilot group.
My suggestion:
We've all been rowing hard for over three years, some of us even longer than that. We deserve a breather. The weather is beautiful again, it's the pre-summer lull, we all have our own ways of recovering and grounding ourselves. Whatever it is, do that, because once the details of a TA are released, it'll be either a mad dash to the finish line, or more rowing, depending how we vote. Regardless, we need to be rested and ready to pass this test. We may soon each have the honor of voting for or against the first Jetblue pilot CBA. Our collective efforts have set the bar pretty high so far, let's not falter after achieving so much already.
05-15-2018, 06:00 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
From your Avatar you were at AT? The Mesa of majors? Man worked out well for you being at SWA and all huh? Golden Ticket punched.
05-15-2018, 06:30 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
From your Avatar you were at AT? The Mesa of majors? Man worked out well for you being at SWA and all huh? Golden Ticket punched.
05-15-2018, 06:57 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
I think the MEC has to release at least some bullet points of this thing. Things are spiraling with all this speculation.
The Spirit MEC released their bullet points almost immediately.
The Spirit MEC released their bullet points almost immediately.
A lot easier to release bullet point changes to a contract rather than bullet point for an entirely new contract.
Honestly I hope they don’t release anything until full language.
No one should be making a decision until they see the contract IN FULL.
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05-15-2018, 07:34 PM
#146
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Dude. You need to read more of my posts before you come in here spouting off.
05-16-2018, 02:35 AM
#147
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
A lot easier to release bullet point changes to a contract rather than bullet point for an entirely new contract.
Honestly I hope they don’t release anything until full language.
No one should be making a decision until they see the contract IN FULL.
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Honestly I hope they don’t release anything until full language.
No one should be making a decision until they see the contract IN FULL.
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05-16-2018, 04:40 AM
#149
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
I disagree. They’ve got all the compensation items done. Yes there is some final language that needs to be completed but there’s no reason not to release what they have. Keeping it secret will not prevent massive speculation and infighting. That has been clearly demonstrated on this board and much more so on bluepilots. At least if they release the details they have we can then fight about actual facts.
Information will come out after the MEC sees it today and tomorrow.
05-16-2018, 04:43 AM
#150
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Position: Boeing voice activated systems and ACARS commander
Posts: 442
Originally Posted by hyperboy
From your Avatar you were at AT? The Mesa of majors? Man worked out well for you being at SWA and all huh? Golden Ticket punched.
I think hyper nailed it for once.
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