RiddleEagle18

The difference between a, shall, will, must and “at the discretion” can change everything.


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Bluedriver

Except Hyper is the "pot calling the kettle black".

We ain't exactly making the industry proud the last several years.

Bluedriver

I for one think they should release the bullet points as soon as they can. We will ALL have the full language before voting, so keeping the highlights from us doesn't really accomplish anything, in my opinion.

I think it's more standard practice to release the bullet points well before the full language.

rvr1800

Well the major items have been agreed to and they will not change. As riddle said the final language is important, ie. shall, must, may, but the hourly rate, 401k contribution, rigs, etc. are agreed to. I see no harm in releasing that. As bluedriver said we will all still get to review the entire TA before voting on it. Throw us a bone. It’s been a long time coming and I think it could help quell some of he hysteria that has started.

RiddleEagle18

That’s exactly the problem though. They don’t want people making a decision strictly in those few items.

Guys will see the bullet points and immediately make a decision.

If pilots are one thing it’s stubborn. They won’t change their mind when the full language comes out because they already told all their buddies how they are voting no.


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capt707

Honestly, it doesn't matter. Pilots are dumb, especially our group. I guarantee you 90% of our guys will go straight to section 3 when the whole TA comes out and look at the compensation first, instead of section 1, which is the most important!

queue

It would save a lot of time.

If it doesn't include "no cleaning" or some other deal breaker, then why waste time writing any contract language? Or if they want to waste time, they can do it while we say no to the first item.

I'd rather stream my disapprovals to the MEC to save time. If we get the whole thing in one lump, psychologically we will be maneuvered into some B.S. "balanced" "compromise" where it has carrots combined with lumps of coal. Then we will hear things like "this is the best we will get" from the MEC and BJ, then pilots will simply settle for crumbs. There simply is no historical precedent to trust anyone and especially BJ, and even if there were, it would still be foolish to trust.

NO COMPROMISES!


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hyperboy

While you continue with your coward bullying. Man up call me if you want the truth rather than your "fake news"


Love your name Blue Driver....Is that your license plate as well?

Bozo the pilot

-- So true. I know ill probably do it. And I KNOW that rates are of relatively low importance. Lookin at pay rates is like eating M&Ms though.
#bulletpoints

Bluedriver

I don't know dude, guys are all gonna say they voted NO and it will pass 85-15...

1. If the bullet points come out and it looks awful, and you feel like you might vote NO, and then the full language comes out and it's the best contract in the history of aviation, are you not going to vote YES?

2. If the bullet points come out and it looks pretty good, and then the full language comes and it's a worse contract than Mesa or Frontier's current contract, are you not going to vote NO?

I just think we are ALL going to have a LONG time to review the full language before voting, we will ALL have an opportunity to make a well informed vote. Giving a highlights bullet point is pretty standard, and that's what I think they should do soon.

The main reason I think they may not do that is the changes to PTOSB and not wanting to promt a "run on the bank"...