BeatNavy

And their real masters (Wall St) have been on them recently over the lack of contract and one firm just downgraded them bc of it. And we were about to picket the shareholder meeting. And it was about to be the summer of fun, with a labor dispute, with an already flailing operation. And as each day passed, more and more people stopped helping out by going above and beyond. And while not required, having a contract makes forecasting costs a lot easier, which is important for things like fleet plans, base changes (displacement language), and a slew of other things that weren’t necessarily impossible without a contract, but that are much more clear now. The pressure was getting turned up in many areas. I don’t think the FA vote was all that important to this AIP. The NC said as much. If the company wanted to keep a union off property for them, they could have easily done so.

benzoate

You guys are killing me with the puns. Remember this contract is about money and benefits and not the ability to fly pizzas across the country in a timely manner.

benzoate

Admittedly, I never thought this would happen but one argument for the AIP now resides with the summer flying and the debacle that was last summer as well as the potential for Europe flying and the LR. The airline needs the pilot group in both areas.

I caution everyone reading this post however. A pay rate is nothing without rigs, scope or benefits. With respect to benefits Jetblue is not inclined to provide pilots a different health care plan so if the details are not contained within the agreement then expect a yearly change as we see now.

Food for thought ladies and gents.

hilltopflyer

Pay rates are nothing if they can charge anything for health care.

cmesoar

You have to look at the entire package. I am also very interested to read the scope section..It also needs to be solid.

Bluedriver

I can tell you the PRIMARY thing that achieved this AIP was negativity.

This management was NEVER, and I do mean NEVER going to agree to an expensive contract after a certain number of months or years. Real progress on the expensive cornerstone issues came only after the union declared a labor dispute, an SOP only campaign, negative media, negative social media, picketing and the fact that the airline finally began to lose pilot good will and losing their helpers. Wall Street also understands labor discontent, and was beginning to put pressure on the company, because of angry pilots! In other words, when the group finally got angry enough.

Read that again. And again. You may not like it. You may detest it. But that is reality dude.

So anyone who actively and vocally tries to quiet and settle the group with "patience' and "decorum" speech and the old "it's just business" routine literally extends the time it takes to get an agreement.

Angry, vocal, frustrated and SOP pilots get TA's.

Patient, quiet and docile pilots get the big blue weenie.

I told Payne privately toward the beginning of this year that we had a greater than 50% chance of a CBA this year, and if it happened most likely before summer.

I told Payne privately recently that for many reasons this meeting had a good chance of producing an agreement. Also for the record, Payne on his own and for the same reasons predicted a likely agreement at this meeting.

I told the entire group, and got told how wrong I was by the way, that we would have NO agreement by summer 2017.

I again told the group, and again was told how wrong I was, that we would have NO agreement by end of year 2017.

So I have absolutely proven my understanding of the process. So, instead of running that erectile-washing-machine you call a mouth, why don't you read this post 5 more times and stop telling us what you "detest".

I do NOT care what you detest, I care what works and what actually achieves the raises and work rules we deserve.

pilotpayne

This guy ^^^^^^

pilotpayne

And this guy ^^^^^^^

My opinion only is the company wants to do other things the 321lr or a new fleet or both and it was time to be done with this contract. As was said many times they could afford it they just wanted to play games. Finally Wall St spoke up and this “unknown cost” needed to be dealt with. That’s the payne optimist view.

Or

They totally played us again but you would need the NC to sign off on that and if that was true we have big big problems.

PasserOGas

I am actually really impressed with management right now.

If the TA is bad, they will clear the summer with all the help they need while we review and vote. If it is good, they aren't as short sighted as I thought. Either way they played the game well and max performed the pilot group.

hilltopflyer

I'm sure it isn't the second option. If it is it's time for a new nc. We have them by the gonads before this summer, Wall Street uncertainty, etc. there wouldn't be any need to cave now (which is why I don't think it's the second option)