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Old 03-15-2017, 06:06 PM
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...oncern-435199/

Here's a particularly damning quote from the article:

“The stage length of the E190 is 40% shorter but the E190 is a high CASM airplane,” says Hayes. “We look at the E190 issue not as a CASM issue, but a return issue.”

There was interest in the C-Series at one point:

"The airline had previously expressed interest in the Bombardier CSeries, but Hayes told FlightGlobal in June 2016 that a new order for 100-seater aircraft is not high on the carrier’s list of immediate priorities."

Keep in mind that the CS300 is a 130-seater and it has a 3,000 mile range. Talk about flexibility! Air Canada has something like 45 CS300s on firm order and Delta could convert many of its CS100 orders into the bigger CS300 (hopefully to replace their MD88s) - the C-Series will have stronger support from Bombardier with those two big North American customers. Given the dearth of recent C-Series orders, this would be the PERFECT opportunity to negotiate a great deal (especially with Republic's outstanding order for 40 CS300s still out there: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...on-pla-425557/).

Everyone knows I am a big fan of the C-Series because of it's clean sheet design and strong economics (i.e., 25% more fuel efficient than the 737NG or A319/20). With the inherent flexibility of the 3,000 mile range, the enhanced passenger ergonomics (2x3 seating and large overhead bins for business travelers) and strong price-negotiating leveraging considering the lack of recent orders, JB should really look closely at the C-Series (especially the CS300) for its much lower CASM. Check out this video of the CS300 including a good look at the cabin and cockpit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BeKiVW1Sk

I would love to see the C-Series in JB colors... And to top it off, pilots can forget the ram horns and just use side sticks on both the C-Series and the Airbus.

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Old 03-15-2017, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy View Post
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...oncern-435199/

Here's a particularly damning quote from the article:

“The stage length of the E190 is 40% shorter but the E190 is a high CASM airplane,” says Hayes. “We look at the E190 issue not as a CASM issue, but a return issue.”

There was interest in the C-Series at one point:

"The airline had previously expressed interest in the Bombardier CSeries, but Hayes told FlightGlobal in June 2016 that a new order for 100-seater aircraft is not high on the carrier’s list of immediate priorities."

Keep in mind that the CS300 is a 130-seater and it has a 3,000 mile range. Talk about flexibility! Air Canada has something like 45 CS300s on firm order and Delta could convert many of its CS100 orders into the bigger CS300 (hopefully to replace their MD88s) - the C-Series will have stronger support from Bombardier with those two big North American customers. Given the dearth of recent C-Series orders, this would be the PERFECT opportunity to negotiate a great deal (especially with Republic's outstanding order for 40 CS300s still out there: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...on-pla-425557/).

Everyone knows I am a big fan of the C-Series because of it's clean sheet design and strong economics (i.e., 25% more fuel efficient than the 737NG or A319/20). With the inherent flexibility of the 3,000 mile range, the enhanced passenger ergonomics (2x3 seating and large overhead bins for business travelers) and strong price-negotiating leveraging considering the lack of recent orders, JB should really look closely at the C-Series (especially the CS300) for its much lower CASM. Check out this video of the CS300 including a good look at the cabin and cockpit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BeKiVW1Sk

I would love to see the C-Series in JB colors... And to top it off, pilots can forget the ram horns and just use side sticks on both the C-Series and the Airbus.
If we get an actual contract that doesn't look like we work for a regional, I could care less what we get as a replacement.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:29 PM
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The E190 is and always was a piece of garbage. Good riddance.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:56 PM
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Just parroting what others have said before but the more I think about it the more it makes sense.

C100/300
A321

Seems to be the future.


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Old 03-16-2017, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
Just parroting what others have said before but the more I think about it the more it makes sense.

C100/300
A321
A350/A330/B777

Seems to be the future.


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Old 03-16-2017, 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667 View Post
The E190 is and always was a piece of garbage. Good riddance.


You're right. Everyone who flies it hates it. That's why so many people are bidding off of it in the last 2 bids.
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
You're right. Everyone who flies it hates it. That's why so many people are bidding off of it in the last 2 bids.
What's so objectionable about the E190 from a flying perspective up front? I've heard good and bad.
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Originally Posted by David Puddy View Post
What's so objectionable about the E190 from a flying perspective up front? I've heard good and bad.
He was being sarcastic.

I've been told the 190 actually has a higher dispatch reliability now than our Airbus fleet.

As a pilot the Airbus is an easier, more comfortable plane to fly. The type of flying it does for JetBlue is easier as well. They both have their pluses and minuses but the Airbus is a superior airframe overall. It's sales alone should tell you that.
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Originally Posted by Southerner View Post
You're right. Everyone who flies it hates it. That's why so many people are bidding off of it in the last 2 bids.
I think most are hanging on because of their QOL, not because they enjoy flying the E190.
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Originally Posted by rvr1800 View Post
He was being sarcastic.

I've been told the 190 actually has a higher dispatch reliability now than our Airbus fleet.

As a pilot the Airbus is an easier, more comfortable plane to fly. The type of flying it does for JetBlue is easier as well. They both have their pluses and minuses but the Airbus is a superior airframe overall. It's sales alone should tell you that.
Redeyes, day sleeps, third world countries, say what? Smaller flight deck. Crappy Ram horns. And an average of one more leg per day on the 190. I'll take that over the bus schedules at my seniority any day.
That said a 120/140 seat CS100/300 would likely be a lot more versatile for our airline, and I'd much rather fly that than an Emb.
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