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Old 12-03-2018, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
Q is on it.

The problem is this place is vidictive. You go to OSHA using your real name they will manufacture a reason to fire you. They have done it many times before.
And entities/managers that have fired whistle blowers as a way of retribution have been successfully sued.
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Old 12-03-2018, 03:07 PM
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And entities/managers that have fired whistle blowers as a way of retribution have been successfully sued.
I opened a case with OSHA/CDC at my last company. They promised me total discretion. Assured me if any action was taken by the company to fire/punish they would be watching.

Never went anywhere.
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Old 12-03-2018, 04:36 PM
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I opened a case with OSHA/CDC at my last company. They promised me total discretion. Assured me if any action was taken by the company to fire/punish they would be watching.

Never went anywhere.
You mean on a scale of 1-10 OSHA was a "B6ALPA"?
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:04 PM
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I’m almost interested enough in the last two posts to unblock Qeue. Naaaa.

It's better you not. You can talk about inconsequential stuff over at bluepilots or that other non-anonymous forum.
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:12 PM
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2. Bloodborne Pathogens.
The requirements of OSHA’s bloodborne pathogens standard concerning hepatitis B
vaccinations, personal protective equipment (PPE), and exposure training could be applied to
employees on aircraft in operation (other than flight deck crew) without compromising aviation
safety. However, OSHA requirements that necessitate engineering and administrative controls
may implicate aviation safety and would need to be subject to FAA approval.


Hmm. Could it apply? When did the company last vaccinate us against hepatitis?

I mean is working for zero pay cleaning planes "occupational"? If labor is being performed does the minimum wage apply? Taxes? SS?

Remember, not everyone cleaning is governed by the RLA so the waters aren't as muddy for them.

I don't think OSHA has any jurisdiction whatsoever. I read the previously cited PDF that has the OSHA <--> FAA MOU and it clearly states that the FAA has jurisdiction although basically they will 'listen' to OSHA.


I believe this is also why OSHA/EPA have done nothing about cabin air quality. I do know for a fact that OSHA/EPA do get involved instantly if an airport building fails air quality standards, yet, if the APU sucks in jet exhaust and gasses out your aircraft, they will do nothing because it's the FAA's sandbox.
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
You mean on a scale of 1-10 OSHA was a "B6ALPA"?

Never forget the people who are responsible for spectacular failures.
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:52 AM
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I don't think OSHA has any jurisdiction whatsoever. I read the previously cited PDF that has the OSHA <--> FAA MOU and it clearly states that the FAA has jurisdiction although basically they will 'listen' to OSHA.


I believe this is also why OSHA/EPA have done nothing about cabin air quality. I do know for a fact that OSHA/EPA do get involved instantly if an airport building fails air quality standards, yet, if the APU sucks in jet exhaust and gasses out your aircraft, they will do nothing because it's the FAA's sandbox.
OK, I'll buy that short of a lawsuit OSHA doesn't want a turf war with the FAA. What about California, Massachusetts, and New York labor law? What about the IRS? How many millions is B6 receiving in free labor? If the claim is that the pass travel is payment, wouldn't B6 or the employee need to report that?

I have to believe that if it was legal to force employees to perform manual labor without pay, more companies would be exploiting that loophole.
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Old 12-13-2018, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas View Post
OK, I'll buy that short of a lawsuit OSHA doesn't want a turf war with the FAA. What about California, Massachusetts, and New York labor law? What about the IRS? How many millions is B6 receiving in free labor? If the claim is that the pass travel is payment, wouldn't B6 or the employee need to report that?

I have to believe that if it was legal to force employees to perform manual labor without pay, more companies would be exploiting that loophole.
Believe me, I 110% agree with you. It's almost like we need a well funded organization that holds a monopoly in order to launch civil suits in multiple jurisdictions to see what sticks... i just can't imagine what overpriced organization that would be....
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Believe me, I 110% agree with you. It's almost like we need a well funded organization that holds a monopoly in order to launch civil suits in multiple jurisdictions to see what sticks... i just can't imagine what overpriced organization that would be....

No, exploitation of the pilots isn't on ALPA's list of "mandatory negotiating items".

I'm still looking for that list, I know I left it somewhere...
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Old 12-23-2018, 05:48 PM
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Beg to fly calls going out. What a company that’s showing negative captain upgrades in some bases and seats.

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