JB realistic London expansion
12-30-2018, 04:40 PM
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JB realistic London expansion
Can JB realistically expand its network over the Atlantic?
Is it a calculated assessment based on the necessity to keep up with Delta real expansion plan from BOS to EU or ...
Can the JB 320 fly 3500 mi eastbound and westbound over the pond?
Is it a calculated assessment based on the necessity to keep up with Delta real expansion plan from BOS to EU or ...
Can the JB 320 fly 3500 mi eastbound and westbound over the pond?
12-30-2018, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by n606tw
Can JB realistically expand its network over the Atlantic?
Is it a calculated assessment based on the necessity to keep up with Delta real expansion plan from BOS to EU or ...
Can the JB 320 fly 3500 mi eastbound and westbound over the pond?
Is it a calculated assessment based on the necessity to keep up with Delta real expansion plan from BOS to EU or ...
Can the JB 320 fly 3500 mi eastbound and westbound over the pond?
Mint transcons have been doing well for JB, so the next logical expansion of Mint is transatlantic. The 321LR will be the plane of choice for these routes, and should be able to handle 3500nm without too much difficulty. I think the opposite is happening, where DL is expanding TATL before JB to beat them to the punch.
Slots are the big issue though, and might be the hardest part of the equation. We will see if they can get authorities to open the alliance carrier JVs for review, and get some sympathy slots.
12-30-2018, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
They can do it if the operate like they do for the LAX/SFO Mint routes. Lots of padding in the schedule, priority for staffing FAs/pilots, MX meets every flight, etc.
Mint transcons have been doing well for JB, so the next logical expansion of Mint is transatlantic. The 321LR will be the plane of choice for these routes, and should be able to handle 3500nm without too much difficulty. I think the opposite is happening, where DL is expanding TATL before JB to beat them to the punch.
Slots are the big issue though, and might be the hardest part of the equation. We will see if they can get authorities to open the alliance carrier JVs for review, and get some sympathy slots.
Mint transcons have been doing well for JB, so the next logical expansion of Mint is transatlantic. The 321LR will be the plane of choice for these routes, and should be able to handle 3500nm without too much difficulty. I think the opposite is happening, where DL is expanding TATL before JB to beat them to the punch.
Slots are the big issue though, and might be the hardest part of the equation. We will see if they can get authorities to open the alliance carrier JVs for review, and get some sympathy slots.
NYC - London is the most profitable route... ever!
Boston is a growing reality, BOS-LHR will be the same (and Delta knows it!)
12-30-2018, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by n606tw
When the first 321LR will be deliver in JB?
NYC - London is the most profitable route... ever!
Boston is a growing reality, BOS-LHR will be the same (and Delta knows it!)
NYC - London is the most profitable route... ever!
Boston is a growing reality, BOS-LHR will be the same (and Delta knows it!)
12-31-2018, 02:24 AM
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This place only knows carrots and sticks. They have LOTS of sticks and only one carrot, which is the perpetual hinting at trans-atlantic flights. They've been teasing that one carrot for YEARS.
Each month that passes I'm more convinced it's a stinky smelly moldy rotten make-believe carrot.
As others have said, we have no A321LR's on order. We have no E-TOPS. We have no LHR landing slots.
We only have a stinky smelly moldy rotten carrot that may or may not be make-believe.
Each month that passes I'm more convinced it's a stinky smelly moldy rotten make-believe carrot.
As others have said, we have no A321LR's on order. We have no E-TOPS. We have no LHR landing slots.
We only have a stinky smelly moldy rotten carrot that may or may not be make-believe.
12-31-2018, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
This place only knows carrots and sticks. They have LOTS of sticks and only one carrot, which is the perpetual hinting at trans-atlantic flights. They've been teasing that one carrot for YEARS.
Each month that passes I'm more convinced it's a stinky smelly moldy rotten make-believe carrot.
As others have said, we have no A321LR's on order. We have no E-TOPS. We have no LHR landing slots.
We only have a stinky smelly moldy rotten carrot that may or may not be make-believe.
Each month that passes I'm more convinced it's a stinky smelly moldy rotten make-believe carrot.
As others have said, we have no A321LR's on order. We have no E-TOPS. We have no LHR landing slots.
We only have a stinky smelly moldy rotten carrot that may or may not be make-believe.
12-31-2018, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
There are no LRs on order, but JB can convert some of the 321NEOs to LRs (presumably XLRs when those come out as well). CEO said turnaround time for conversion choice to delivery of an LR is less than 18 months (I believe that’s the vague timeline he gave in an interview a few months ago). Getting a LHR slot is one of the big problems. Getting ETOPS is another issue, which according to another forum has been stopped for now. No idea if that part is true. I’m not planning any London layovers anytime soon though.
ETOPS qualification is a full year long process and some ... and it starts when you have the actual planes ... so if you don't have the planes yet ...
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