Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 2751397)

And some flight attendants that don’t look like they slept in the park.

Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2751286)

I'd rather lose this management team, get a CBA which is almost certainly better than ours, and potentially gain a pilot group with some backbone. That's how I roll!

Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 2751411)

Well there aren’t too many pilots here making the cover of Men’s Health or GQ. There is however, a fair number that make the local crime beat :D

Originally Posted by Bluetruth (Post 2749575)

Cptcoolhand is playing games with words.

From the FAM:



So according to you the FAs don't really have to clean either since they did not use the word MUST?

Its really simple. If you don't want to clean at anytime or anyplace, than negotiated it into the next contract. If you just walk off the plane after doing one row or nothing at all, you deserve to be (and I quote Johanna) reported straight to her. Argue definitions with her and see where that gets you. She will clue you into what she means by light cleaning too. No one is finished until we all are finished, so do your duty and don't leave your fellow employees with your share of it.

Having said that, the company needs to hire cleaners once and for all and end this for everyone.

Originally Posted by Bluetruth (Post 2750294)

Oh I'm here, but wondering if its worth it to add. But ok.

Some of you know what you are supposed to do regarding cleaning. Actually all of you do, but some of you are trying to hide behind very feeble word games hoping to use it as a defense if the hammer ever falls. Or make yourself feel better as you walk off while some other Pilots and all the FAs clean around you.

My point is simple. As of right now, everyone including deadheading pilots (surprise!), are required to help clean. The only ones that are off the hook are the working pilots. Helping clean/light cleaning has also been defined for everyone multiple times, and its not just crossing a few seat belts. Do we have to have a discussion on that too? Or where the visual instructions in that module not clear enough?

Why should FAs care? Because the company is trying to hold onto them cleaning with a deathgrip and using the theoretical help from pilots and other employees to trivialize this part of the job.

For the record, I don't believe leadership when they say they will hold pilots (or anyone) accountable for not cleaning. Its just another tactic to mollify FAs and keep them cleaning in the upcoming contract. That does not change the fact that according to the written rules many Pilots are shirking their responsibility to clean and leaving their share for only a minority of employees and all the FAs to do.

Does all that make you mad? Good. Get mad, stay mad and help convince B6 to join the 21st century and hire cleaners.

I'm a team player and have my crew's back, all of them. But don't pretend any sort of righteousness as you stroll off the plane. Everyone knows what's what. People who play these word games are playing into the hands of the company and causing this division.

If all of you listened to Queue from jump, you'd of all been better off. Get the change you want written in stone so the company can no longer use it as a weapon against you and other work groups.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2753716)

Absolutely not. I don't care what the FAM says. I'm not responsible for its content.

Originally Posted by Bluetruth (Post 2750614)

Practice makes perfect. Here are your blue gloves. Have a nice flight.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2753722)

DH pilots are absolutely NOT required to clean. We've been over this. It is in the FA's job description to clean the plane. Their problem, not mine.

I'm done with this conversation. I've given BD, you and everyone else, every bit of ammo in their words to deal with this. If you can't deal with it on your own it's on you.

I look forward to the next discussion about how we “differed” aircraft this year. But not really differed.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2753776)

What does the training module say? The one you took and signed/agreed to?

As far as the deferrals, are we taking 13 Airbus deliveries this year or not? Did the executives show even a smidge of heartburn over the delayed delivery? And any whiff of public pressure or dissatisfaction with Airbus over the delivery delays?

I didn't think so. You are pretending to buy their table outright because you want to save face for telling me I was wrong, but deep down I know you know the truth. If we wanted 13 deliveries from Airbus this year, WE'D GET THEM.

Originally Posted by aewanabe (Post 2753859)

Not only are we NOT required to clean on a DH, MY leadership as well as MY union and manuals have clarified that point. Repeatedly. So I frankly don’t give two rotten apples WTF you think your FAM says. Only at Blewjet....