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Bluedriver 02-13-2019 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 2763431)
Mid-america hub? Why?

How much originating traffic comes from a mid-america hub? If we are talking a global airline perhaps but how much travel and connections ACTUALLY come from the middle of the country? Without digging into traffic reports it doesn’t make a ton of financial sense. The census bureau statistics indicate future population growth comes from South America focusing on that direction seems more logical.
If you look at ORD or IAH the land was cheap and terminals were built therefore feeding traffic through there to get else where but not because those cities population centers travelled. Just an opinion.

The mid-continent population centers do have tremendous amounts of O&D, both business and leisure. Delta prints money in MSP, and DEN and Chicago are very hotly contested hubs for a reason. In addition to O&D it creates lucrative connection opportunities that just don't exist without one.

Just my opinion of course.

keysersose 02-13-2019 11:33 AM

JB/AS does make the most sense. Don’t know which management team or board willingly walking away.

I don’t know if you need a mid America hub. If take the current JetBlue and Alaska hubs, and connect each of them to STL, MCI, CVG etc... you can get 95% of the American population to destination with one stop.

Bluedriver 02-13-2019 12:40 PM

Speaking of JB + AK, would the new airline paint "Proudly Some Boeings" on the aircraft?

Flyby1206 02-13-2019 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by keysersose (Post 2763458)
JB/AS does make the most sense. Don’t know which management team or board willingly walking away.

I suspect this is the largest roadblock to any B6/AS merger



Originally Posted by keysersose (Post 2763458)
I don’t know if you need a mid America hub. If take the current JetBlue and Alaska hubs, and connect each of them to STL, MCI, CVG etc... you can get 95% of the American population to destination with one stop.

The only hurdle to this would be gate/slot capacity at the big coastal airports like BOS/JFK/SFO/LAX. Thats why it might be more economical to develop one of those cities into a mid-America hub so you can save the more valuable coastal airport resources.

Again, I'm not sure what the right answer is in this regard, either choice has its pros/cons.

benzoate 02-13-2019 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 2763435)
The mid-continent population centers do have tremendous amounts of O&D, both business and leisure. Delta prints money in MSP, and DEN and Chicago are very hotly contested hubs for a reason. In addition to O&D it creates lucrative connection opportunities that just don't exist without one.

Just my opinion of course.

I see your point but I guess my argument is where are those pax going? They’re flying out of ORD/DEN to get somewhere right? Can jetblue just fly from JFK to those cities without having to spend all the resources building a new base? A ton of flying out of those cities is regional anyhow isn’t it? And the wide body flying is bringing in connectors to then go outside the US. Simply fly from FLL/JFK/BOS to those smaller cities and you have e the same set up. Otherwise your mid-America hub simply flies people from smaller cities to the hub and then what?

What do I know. Just my thought.

hilltopflyer 02-13-2019 01:07 PM

Nice first post by the way. How big is wn now?

Xtreme87 02-13-2019 01:08 PM

We are going to be sharing a mega terminal at JFK.

seekingblue 02-13-2019 03:30 PM

I just wish Alaska had a better scope section.

(I’m sure the Alaska guys feel similarly)

BeatNavy 02-13-2019 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by seekingblue (Post 2763613)
I just wish Alaska had a better scope section.

(I’m sure the Alaska guys feel similarly)

Easy. In a JCBA both groups negotiate to keep JB scope and fly the RJs at mainline...a 3 way merger with horizon getting stapled for seniority but keeping longevity. And SKW paints their Alaska jets in a different livery after they get dropped.

BlueBus 02-13-2019 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Bluesteal (Post 2763268)
I know there has been rumors of Ual and JB, but I have heard from a good source that Alaska and Jb may be possibly talking and have been for some time now... It seems to me that Alaska really wants become alot closer in the Big 3's rear view mirror. First Virgin and then a JB merger would make Alaska a 7,000 pilot airline! Discuss....


You created another account just for that post? Troll.


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