Fume Events
04-07-2019, 08:41 PM
#11
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Look. If there’s some legitimate information on this...I’m happy to read up it, but I’m not going to believe every crazy story out there. Show me some real info.
I’m just fed up with the anti-vaxers, Me Too world we live in.
I’m just fed up with the anti-vaxers, Me Too world we live in.
04-07-2019, 09:01 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
If you are an employee and on bluepilots you would be wise to read the 65 page thread on fumes. Several JB pilots are out now, one almost died and won’t ever fly again. TCP is a neurotoxin. It may smell like dirty socks/dirty packs, or with the new oil magic marker, but it’s nasty stuff. Some British airways pilots have died, a spirit pilot died, and who knows how many others have had neurotoxic issues undiagnosed to unlinked to a fume event. It causes neuro issues, cardiac issues, depression, and all sorts of weird stuff. Aerotoxic.org has some good info. There’s a reason the pilot union for 5 UK airlines just filed a lawsuit against each airline for not dealing with it.
Airbus engines (at least the IAEs, dunno about the CFMs), run at a much higher oil pressure than other engines, and is the assumed reason it has a higher rate of dirty sock smell. There were 59 fume events reported in March. Only one of those was an embraer. Only a few were 321s. The rest were 320s. If it was a work action or made up, you’d see events in the 190 and certainly the 321 in a statistically similar manner. But the 321s are all new and the seals not worn out like the older 320s.
It’s real. PAX aren’t exposed as much as flight crew, and it’s thought to be a cumulative exposure/absorption. And it doesn’t have a “fumey” odor. It’s pretty benign compared to other fumes/odors (electrical, chemical, fuel, exhaust, etc). Of the 59 events in March, only maybe a couple made the news. Most pax (and even ignorant pilots) don’t know anything/much about it. I hope saabstory isn’t a JB employee, or if he is, he educates himself.
Airbus engines (at least the IAEs, dunno about the CFMs), run at a much higher oil pressure than other engines, and is the assumed reason it has a higher rate of dirty sock smell. There were 59 fume events reported in March. Only one of those was an embraer. Only a few were 321s. The rest were 320s. If it was a work action or made up, you’d see events in the 190 and certainly the 321 in a statistically similar manner. But the 321s are all new and the seals not worn out like the older 320s.
It’s real. PAX aren’t exposed as much as flight crew, and it’s thought to be a cumulative exposure/absorption. And it doesn’t have a “fumey” odor. It’s pretty benign compared to other fumes/odors (electrical, chemical, fuel, exhaust, etc). Of the 59 events in March, only maybe a couple made the news. Most pax (and even ignorant pilots) don’t know anything/much about it. I hope saabstory isn’t a JB employee, or if he is, he educates himself.
Also, why would it only affect a few pilots? If it is cumulative exposure I would expect many other crew members to have similar issues.
04-07-2019, 09:04 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by MySaabStory
Look. If there’s some legitimate information on this...I’m happy to read up it, but I’m not going to believe every crazy story out there. Show me some real info.
I’m just fed up with the anti-vaxers, Me Too world we live in.
I’m just fed up with the anti-vaxers, Me Too world we live in.
Aerotoxic.org is a good place to start. I’m not spoon feeding you info. You can figure it out and research it for yourself. Or offer to do the engine runs and ferry flights after someone else write up dirty sock smell. Hope you volunteer for that duty since it’s on the same level as anti vaxers in your mind.
04-07-2019, 09:07 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by localizer
If it is the seals on the 320 engines, why are they not all checked/replaced?
Also, why would it only affect a few pilots? If it is cumulative exposure I would expect many other crew members to have similar issues.
Also, why would it only affect a few pilots? If it is cumulative exposure I would expect many other crew members to have similar issues.
04-07-2019, 09:25 PM
#15
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https://www.docsopinion.com/2018/07/...ercial-flight/ Good explanation of it here.
https://www.alliedpilots.org/News/ID...Air-Safety-Act Oh look, AA’s union acknowledges it. They also put out a video about it at some point.
Lots of discussion about it here: Wet Sock Smell
https://www.alliedpilots.org/News/ID...Air-Safety-Act Oh look, AA’s union acknowledges it. They also put out a video about it at some point.
Lots of discussion about it here: Wet Sock Smell
04-07-2019, 10:22 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by MySaabStory
Look. If there’s some legitimate information on this...I’m happy to read up it, but I’m not going to believe every crazy story out there. Show me some real info.
I’m just fed up with the anti-vaxers, Me Too world we live in.
I’m just fed up with the anti-vaxers, Me Too world we live in.
Some vaccines are bad for you. Were you in the military during the Anthrax vaccine cover up? Flu vaccine is a waste of time if you expect it to work. Read the product insert.
Regarding fumes, start with Aerotoxic Syndrome, read the USAF studies starting in the 1950s, then B6 ALPAs literature on fumes. It's a great synopsis of all well researched resouces.
04-08-2019, 03:57 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by localizer
If it is the seals on the 320 engines, why are they not all checked/replaced?
Also, why would it only affect a few pilots? If it is cumulative exposure I would expect many other crew members to have similar issues.
Also, why would it only affect a few pilots? If it is cumulative exposure I would expect many other crew members to have similar issues.
As to why it only effected a few pilots? Because environmental toxins are like that. Not everyone exposed to "moderate" radiation develops cancer. Not everyone in Flint was heavily affected by lead poisoning. One massive dose and medium doses over a lifetime may manifest differently. You are breathing in vaporized engine oil, you think that's OK?
04-08-2019, 04:54 AM
#18
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I know of a pilot out because of a fume event. The pilot has undergone something like 80 hyperbaric chamber therapy sessions to try to fix some of the symptoms. I don’t think someone would put themselves through that just to get some time off work.
04-08-2019, 05:38 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
I know of a pilot out because of a fume event. The pilot has undergone something like 80 hyperbaric chamber therapy sessions to try to fix some of the symptoms. I don’t think someone would put themselves through that just to get some time off work.
Saab story. The first one I had I had a headache pretty quickly afterwards.
04-08-2019, 07:06 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
If you are an employee and on bluepilots you would be wise to read the 65 page thread on fumes. Several JB pilots are out now, one almost died and won’t ever fly again. TCP is a neurotoxin. It may smell like dirty socks/dirty packs, or with the new oil magic marker, but it’s nasty stuff. Some British airways pilots have died, a spirit pilot died, and who knows how many others have had neurotoxic issues undiagnosed to unlinked to a fume event. It causes neuro issues, cardiac issues, depression, and all sorts of weird stuff. Aerotoxic.org has some good info. There’s a reason the pilot union for 5 UK airlines just filed a lawsuit against each airline for not dealing with it.
Airbus engines (at least the IAEs, dunno about the CFMs), run at a much higher oil pressure than other engines, and is the assumed reason it has a higher rate of dirty sock smell. There were 59 fume events reported in March. Only one of those was an embraer. Only a few were 321s. The rest were 320s. If it was a work action or made up, you’d see events in the 190 and certainly the 321 in a statistically similar manner. But the 321s are all new and the seals not worn out like the older 320s.
It’s real. PAX aren’t exposed as much as flight crew, and it’s thought to be a cumulative exposure/absorption. And it doesn’t have a “fumey” odor. It’s pretty benign compared to other fumes/odors (electrical, chemical, fuel, exhaust, etc). Of the 59 events in March, only maybe a couple made the news. Most pax (and even ignorant pilots) don’t know anything/much about it. I hope saabstory isn’t a JB employee, or if he is, he educates himself.
Airbus engines (at least the IAEs, dunno about the CFMs), run at a much higher oil pressure than other engines, and is the assumed reason it has a higher rate of dirty sock smell. There were 59 fume events reported in March. Only one of those was an embraer. Only a few were 321s. The rest were 320s. If it was a work action or made up, you’d see events in the 190 and certainly the 321 in a statistically similar manner. But the 321s are all new and the seals not worn out like the older 320s.
It’s real. PAX aren’t exposed as much as flight crew, and it’s thought to be a cumulative exposure/absorption. And it doesn’t have a “fumey” odor. It’s pretty benign compared to other fumes/odors (electrical, chemical, fuel, exhaust, etc). Of the 59 events in March, only maybe a couple made the news. Most pax (and even ignorant pilots) don’t know anything/much about it. I hope saabstory isn’t a JB employee, or if he is, he educates himself.
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