A220
 

I’m looking at coming to JetBlue and am wondering if there is any information on where the A220’s will be based? I would eventually like to be based in Orlando, but not sure how getting the 190 now and then changing aircraft to A220 would affect that. Do you think that the new aircraft arrival would mean a longer or shorter time in JFK or BOS for a new hire?

We won't get our first 220 until late 2020, entry into service 2021. It will likely be 2-3 more years til we get a significant number of them, so I wouldn't worry about it at this point. They will be based in BOS initially, my speculation is JFK is likely next, then FLL and MCO. The E190 will be around a lot longer than everyone thinks. We haven't even solidified a retirement schedule for them yet.

Anyone else hearing rumors of the company moving the MCO190 base down to FLL on the August year long bid?


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Wow, 2017 rumors being recycled again? :p;)

First time I heard it, it slipped off my
Back. The next 3 times I heard it[emoji2369][emoji2369][emoji2369]. Hopefully just a bad rumor.


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I don’t believe that MCO rumor since MCO will be grown in a few years. Paying for and dealing with a displacement just to reopen it a bit later...I don’t see it.

By the time they grow Orlando the 220 will (should) be in full swing so it would cause a displacement bid anyway as it replaces the 190.

I agree with the speculation about BOS and JFK basing for the A220 initially. But, as the presentation this week pointed out, the A220 gives a lot of route flexibility out of all bases - including MCO and FLL. With its lower break even load factor and better range, imagine possible A220 connections like MCO-BOI, FLL-PHX, HPN-LAX, MCO-PDX, etc. The A220 will offer many new route options from both MCO and FLL.

If JB wants to solidify (or protect) its position in the Orlando market as Spirit and SWA continue to expand, it will need to lower CASMs on competitive markets (ie NE-FL) through more seats/capacity and open up new, nonstop markets that bypass traditional hubs - and you can do that effectively with a fuel efficient and flexible airplane like the A220. The E190 is too inflexible and limiting from a revenue-upside perspective.

Side note: I met a Delta pilot who is training on the A220 recently and he said it was the easiest airplane he has ever flown and he will likely not bid off it for a very long time. That was his perspective (opinions will vary). :)

190 will be on the property for 10 more years. Hear me now, believe me later.

They just mentioned at the party that the 220 is going to BOS. It will have 140 seats.

https://i.ibb.co/Kbzqzsm/E1170-F9-F-...8-BCD63901.jpg

....or maybe longer. I can see them keeping the ones they own and using them for all the Northeast short hops.

You got it! Aircraft useful life is 25 yrs. plus, they already wrote it down. That thing is FREEEEEE!

I see them keeping them for awhile longer but not unless they do some cabin work to them. They are looking rough.

Yup... thy are going to be flying BOS-DCA all day; every day until they fall apart :p

Robin was asked this question specifically at a pocket session a few months ago in Boston. His answer was no, that having 3 airplane types at once is going to be a major drain on the company from a cost perspective. The quicker we get to the 220, the better.

Of course they could change their minds. 60 320s will be updated by the end of the year, another year to finish the rest(maybe). So if they were going to refresh some 190s the logical time would be in 2021. Don’t see that happening while taking a new airplane that’s supposed to be a replacement. JetBlue is young enough that replacing airplanes is uncharted territory for them. It remains to be seen what logic they lean toward.

My guess is the 190 will go away, but won't even start doing so for another 3 years, maybe 4. There will be overlap. But within 7-8 years, I would imagine most will be sold.

Spoke to the director of MX. He said the 190's will start going away as soon as the 2nd or 3rd 220's starts showing up. Said the ones we OWN will be going away first because the leases wont be up on the older ones until about 2023 or so. He said he couldnt remember which tail started the ones we own but its around 290JB or so. So those will start going away first starting with the oldest ones we own. So that means tails 178 to like 289 will be around the longest unless they start getting to the lease dates before the newer ones like 368 ect are gone.

But he said the last he heard was the company is shooting to have all 190's off property within 2 months of the 60th A220 showing up on property.

But this is the aviation industry so anything is subject to change.

So are the new A320s additive, or are there going to be retirements from the existing fleet?

There are no new a320s. Of the 130 A320s, 60 will have gone thru the cabin refresh this year, and the rest will be done in the year or so following. The new planes to be delivered in the next 6 years are 85 A321NEOs, of which 13 are LRs, and 60 A220s which are supposed to be 1 for 1 replacements for the 190s. As for a320 retirements, last investor call they said there were no plans for any as of now. The question specifically asked for the next 5-7 years iirc.

Gotcha, thanks - misspeak on my part - meant 321s.

This is so true and made me laugh!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bbl4SQeoBfA/maxresdefault.jpg

Is that representative of the 190 interior, or a 190 FO? 😘

And speaking of 220 and 190 FO ... when is the "Night of the Long Knives"?