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06-05-2019, 03:14 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Lots of people didn’t want to lose their summer vacation (or otherwise spend a month in Orlando over the summer) on the last bid. That’s the only reason I don’t think it will go quite that low. Then again, there are a lot more upgrades on this bid. I also think a lot of 320 FOs aren’t interested in 190 CA anymore. They have relatively good QOL, more days off, almost as much money, better trips, vacation. Decent lines. And day for day worked, I bet a mid seniority 320 FO could make as much as a junior reserve 190 CA (if they didn’t break guarantee) flying an 85 hour line and picking up 1-2 premium days a month, which are plentiful right now. So maybe you’re right.
06-05-2019, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Lots of people didn’t want to lose their summer vacation (or otherwise spend a month in Orlando over the summer) on the last bid. That’s the only reason I don’t think it will go quite that low. Then again, there are a lot more upgrades on this bid. I also think a lot of 320 FOs aren’t interested in 190 CA anymore. They have relatively good QOL, more days off, almost as much money, better trips, vacation. Decent lines. And day for day worked, I bet a mid seniority 320 FO could make as much as a junior reserve 190 CA (if they didn’t break guarantee) flying an 85 hour line and picking up 1-2 premium days a month, which are plentiful right now. So maybe you’re right.
I agree with everything except the earnings comparison. The break even point is around 93 hours for a 320 FO versus a reserve CA on 190. If you’re going to make the assumption that the FO picks up VDA you have to do the same for the CA. I was a 320 FO and I’m now a 190 CA and I make a decent amount more.
06-05-2019, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
I agree with everything except the earnings comparison. The break even point is around 93 hours for a 320 FO versus a reserve CA on 190. If you’re going to make the assumption that the FO picks up VDA you have to do the same for the CA. I was a 320 FO and I’m now a 190 CA and I make a decent amount more.
06-05-2019, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
The FO will have at least 4 more days to VDA then the reserve junior CA. Whether they get called on those days is a different story.
06-05-2019, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
I agree with everything except the earnings comparison. The break even point is around 93 hours for a 320 FO versus a reserve CA on 190. If you’re going to make the assumption that the FO picks up VDA you have to do the same for the CA. I was a 320 FO and I’m now a 190 CA and I make a decent amount more.
Also, using year 4 pay numbers (151/195), where the 190 upgrade was last bid, the crossover point is 97 hours credit if my math is correct.
Granted, a lot of assumptions and variables exist, but it’s so close either way. Guessing the 320 FO has a much better schedule and QOL than a real junior 190 CA, and with pay so close, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for a lot of people.
06-05-2019, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
The assumption doesn’t have to be made about the CA. I said day for day. So if we assume the reserve 190 CA has 13 days off in a 30 day bid period, and a 320 FO has 15 days off in that same bid period on an 85 hour line, he has 1-2 days he can pick up (hopefully at premium) and still hit the crossover point on a same days worked basis. Additionally, with the FO’s seniority being better, he can get weekends/holidays off, so his chance of getting a premium trip over those times when they are more prevalent is greater. If a RSV 190CA VDAd on days off, lived local and didn’t get used much on reserve (and didn’t count those as work days), or got used every day and broke guarantee, the numbers favor the CA, but with seemingly a lot more work.
Also, using year 4 pay numbers (151/195), where the 190 upgrade was last bid, the crossover point is 97 hours credit if my math is correct.
Granted, a lot of assumptions and variables exist, but it’s so close either way. Guessing the 320 FO has a much better schedule and QOL than a real junior 190 CA, and with pay so close, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for a lot of people.
Also, using year 4 pay numbers (151/195), where the 190 upgrade was last bid, the crossover point is 97 hours credit if my math is correct.
Granted, a lot of assumptions and variables exist, but it’s so close either way. Guessing the 320 FO has a much better schedule and QOL than a real junior 190 CA, and with pay so close, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for a lot of people.
06-05-2019, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
The FO will have at least 4 more days to VDA then the reserve junior CA. Whether they get called on those days is a different story.
06-05-2019, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
What if you don’t VDA/RSA or care about the extra money and just want to upgrade because you are tired of flying with idiot Captains?
06-05-2019, 12:06 PM
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Will this large system bid create E190 only newhire slots classes after the bid close?
06-05-2019, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Barracuda
Will this large system bid create E190 only newhire slots classes after the bid close?
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