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06-09-2019, 07:16 AM
#131
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Red-line-of-death doesn't require currency and skill? Nothing guarantees an FLL crew has flown to one of the high-risk locations recently correct? You think open ocean with and a British accent are more dangerous than high altitude ops, 20,000 mountains, min-fuel, English as a 2nd language and 3rd world infrastructure?
Honest question?
Honest question?
06-09-2019, 07:42 AM
#132
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
And as for ETOPS, all Alaska pilots are ETOPS trained, nothing ensures that crews have recently flown to HI. Many other airlines ETOPS qualify an entire base/category with mixed flying.
06-09-2019, 08:06 AM
#133
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Originally Posted by 360KIAS
Yes, this is an issue. Not just on message boards, but in the cockpit as well. Another one I've noticed people don't seem to be aware of is reduced pay protection for a VDA that is CXL prior to report time.
3.O and yes, it's been white for a while now.
3.O and yes, it's been white for a while now.
Lol. I can't wait to see all the concessions we give in the next CBA.
It's a shell game and B6ALPA is in on it.
06-09-2019, 08:24 AM
#134
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Incorrect. It's about ETOPS and the fact that it requires currency and skill to operate that kind of flying. This isn't an opinion.
What skills? Filling out the log book skills? Time fuel distance skills? Pilot skills?
06-09-2019, 09:09 AM
#135
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ETOPS is mostly Mx tracking. You are talking about oceanic flying. It is modestly more difficult and 90% of that is planning; which the dispatcher does. It’s only “flying to the moon” if you’ve never done it. The skill can be learned in 2 segments.
06-09-2019, 09:40 AM
#136
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Originally Posted by Southerner
Incorrect. It's about ETOPS and the fact that it requires currency and skill to operate that kind of flying. This isn't an opinion.
06-09-2019, 09:41 AM
#137
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Originally Posted by aldonite7667
ETOPS is mostly Mx tracking. You are talking about oceanic flying. It is modestly more difficult and 90% of that is planning; which the dispatcher does. It’s only “flying to the moon” if you’ve never done it. The skill can be learned in 2 segments.
Maybe once we have been flying there a few years the requirement for a sub base will change?
06-09-2019, 09:48 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87
So all the other airlines that have this kind of flying, manage to have people do it as little or as often that they like are all just ticking timebombs because of the lack of safety with that method? Stop drinking the blue juice bro. It’s strictly cost savings. Ask any DL 75/76 pilot if they can fly to the west cost and the caribbean for months on end and then bid one europe trip every once in a while. It’s strictly cost savings, at the expense of QOL and health of the crew, nothing else.
I can't speak to other airlines, and their risk tolerance. Those airlines have a long corporate history with that type of flying, which does make a difference. They have established policies, procedures, and a cadre of dispatchers, pilots, and technicians that are very familiar with the unique challenges of the theatre of operation. SMS is required by Part 5 now, and if they have conducted a risk assessment, and the FAA agrees with their systems, more power to them.
Once we have done this for a few years, perhaps the sub base will become unnecessary.
06-09-2019, 10:16 AM
#139
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Isn’t having a separate category good for us? More pilots needed and hopefully some movement from the upper end of the JFK/BOS 320 list.
06-09-2019, 10:38 AM
#140
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Originally Posted by todd1200
Isn’t having a separate category good for us? More pilots needed and hopefully some movement from the upper end of the JFK/BOS 320 list.
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