BlueJetDork

yes to a standard allocation system.

Bluedriver

Agree.

Look how many bypass upgrades, for years. Time off, and the QUALITY of that time of (timing of the time) are very important to many.

Southerner

It isn't about the money for me. Having a holiday off is worth it.

BlueJetDork

That is not what the NC said to the pilot group.

They also said our system was standard with industry-leading distribution.

Not of which was or is true.

Also, near the top of the market absolute peak period weeks could be achieved with the middle of the road distribution and a 6% distribution.

But the Mullet was smart. He knew that with what ended up as the tired for second distribution (sold as industry leading) would result in the very low peak periods weeks by only increasing allocation by 1 week for only 1/2 the pilot group. The effect was a marginal increase in peak period (summer, etc) weeks that will be gone in the first pass through the 1 1/2 multi-pass system we got.

Sure there are rounds but longevity 1-10 gets one round and then everyone else except 7 dudes gets 1 1/2 rounds. Hardly standard.

The 35 hours feeds right into the 'it good for me' aspect that has hurt this pilot group for almost 2 decades. 35 hours only helps if you get a slot and we lost nearly 2000 slots in peak periods which is the point of a vacation system. To make sure time off is budgeted during peak periods otherwise the company would do what they have always done and said: "You have to sacrifice to work here".

The entire system is a Frankenstein and lie and is a mess.

Bluedriver

If contract #2 achieves an extra week of Vaca at each longevity step while holding all else the same, what then is still "Frankenstein"?

Obviously need more "sick" time as well.

Honest question.

Tom a Hawk

I’m so fawking tired of this “we’ll get em next time” horsesheit. Why would you vote for a system that’s worse than what you had in hopes that it might be better 4 years later?

BlueJetDork

3 weeks at year 1?

I think:

0-5 is fine now. Total of 2

5-10 add 2. Total of 4

10-15 add 3. Total of 5

16 plus add 4. Total of 6.

6% distribution each peak period month.

23 hours per period.

I would like to see at least banking hours which somehow missed the comparison from other airlines.

For instance, you pick up a POT, RSA or VDA in March and then you can bank it in your PTO or have it arrive in your check then next pay period.

But yes more PTS.

And 15 minutes of silence from Brooke Burke!

Bluedriver

Did you take summer vacation under the previous system or sell back your PTO?

Bluedriver

Sounds good, but I would like to see an attempt to hold on to more than 23 hours pay. Not saying anything should be sacrificed for it.

Tom a Hawk

I did not sell back. I typically took 2-3 vacation weeks a year(spread throughout, one time in summer) and used the rest for drops/sick. Under the old system if I took 2 weeks I had 77 hours of pto left over and could uts. Now I’ll have 72 hours left over and can’t uts. It’s even worse at 3 weeks now assuming you can get a third (<10yrs).

This is my point. All different types of pilots were better off with the old system because they could choose what they wanted. One size does not fit this pilot group.