Vacation Bid Round 1. Two words:
 

I swear this is the most incompetent company. They can't get out of their own way. An AA-like grievance is very possible with this one. Get your popcorn ready boys and girls.

Did I miss it? Title says “two words”. You wrote like 25?

My post was edited by the APC police. Doesn't make as much sense anymore, but whatever.

BL: It's not good.

It came out two days early?! i could see you saying this on Friday October 4th. Did they do something wrong?

Well, I wouldn't say "early". I'd say 2 days prior to the deadline. They publised the results. Sent out an email saying it was out and it was in FLICA for about an hour.

Then they sent another email saying the bid was run incorrectly and that they were withdrawing the award and re-running it. There's a Flica link that a pilot found that showed the award early, and shows the new bid run as well. I got 2 different weeks the second run. Both better. Which means there are guys who will have much worse vacations the second time around.

My point is, the award was complete and published. Period. Then they pulled it, and re-ran the bid and will publish it again soon. There will/should be several grievances over this.

I was able to see my award early (glad I took a snapshot of it.) I can’t find it now that they pulled the results.

Log into FLICA.

Copy/paste this link into a new window.

https://jetblue.flica.net/full/vbbid...i?BCID=010.000

Either have pop up blockers disabled or stop the link from running before you see the "bid closed" window show up. It'll stop at your bid result. Your two weeks will be in pink.

Looks like mine is unchanged....I think. Appreciate the link.

No luck on that link for me.

It's tricky. Make sure you're logged into Flica already. I had to start and stop the link a few times before it showed the award. If you wait too long and it goes to the main menu, close it out and open it up again and keep trying.

Log in to flica and copy/paste that link in the same browser you’re logged into. It doesn’t work for me if I just put it into a new browser. Also, tonight I had to select a different category...it defaulted to a different base/equipment, but mine showed back up after I selected my base/equip/seat.

Really? ... Really?! TF is wrong with you? Are you a NM?

https://jetblue.flica.net/ui/private...l?BCID=010.000

Set dates Jan 1 2020 to Dec 31 2020 then sort the list by seniority

Link didn't work. Just goes to login screen.

Or if you copy/paste it gave me this:

404 - File or directory not found.

They fixed the glitch 🤣

Works now.....

Mine works intermittently. Oddly, sometimes it's BOS320CA, sometimes it's my actual category. Also oddly, I couldn't see your award in there. You able to see yours?

https://jetblue.flica.net/ui/private...ml?BCID=010.01 When I use this link it works. Or in flyby's link if I make it BCID...010.001 it also works for me and puts me in the correct category. If I keep it at 010.000 it keeps me at BOS320CA. BCID....010.0 and 010.1 also do the trick and put me in my category, or BOS320CA, respectively. I don't understand this Flica backdoor stuff, but those are my results...

Yes. Even though I’m a 320 BOS FO currently, my awards are with the 320 BOS CAs...they fixed whatever glitch they had with the first run. Just surprises me they didn’t catch it before releasing it to the pilots. I wonder what brought it to their attention.

That's weird, in my view of BOS320CA, you don't show up. But the rest of the list I see looks fairly accurate. The guys above you and below you in seniority show up.

One of the bottom CAs in my base (jr to me) got a week over Christmas and a week for summer. I of course bid those as well, didn't get them, and got my expected trash weeks, but was p*ssed when I didn't get those weeks and someone junior to me did. After the glitch was fixed, he, too, got trash weeks. I would be ****ed if I were him and saw xmas/summer vacation awarded, then taken away. I am anxiously waiting for ALPA's response to this. But I'm expecting them to roll over and act like typical B6ALPA.

Yeah....with that section still yellow in our CBA I suspect the company will say it’s not in effect yet so doesn’t apply. “Oops. Sorry.”

Still worth a grievance though.

I’m so mad too. Within the hour it was out, I booked a $30,000 (w night) boat in Bali for my 2 year olds half birthday. Plus I bought him a first class ticket. Wonder if I’ll be able to get my money back

I took a snapshot of mine too. If it isn’t identical I will file a grievance.

So wait, the company released the vacation bid... some junior people got some good vacations and vacations that apparently they shouldn’t have received. Company says, whoops we (and our business partner) screwed up. We have to remedy this.... they retract the bid and then re run it again making it right.

Soooooooo now some junior people are going to grieve because they didn’t get the July vacation that they originally had and shouldn’t have got based on seniorty.

It’s not like the most junior guy took 2 weeks of summer vacation and the most senior person got October and THEN the company is like to bad so sad... leaving that senior guy high and dry...

It’s pretty cut and dry... they screwed it up. And now they are taking it back and making it right... wtf is ALPA going to do grieving it, besides waste time and resources.

Yea I had two November’s not over (the fourth Thursday). Now I’ve got thanksgiving and a week in August.

Of course it’s -26.5 hrs since i haven’t earned any vacation this year so that should be fun.

So there's a trip in open time and you pick it up. It's on your schedule. Company comes back and says, oops...sorry, that pairing was suppose to go to a reserve and not go into open time. Our bad.

Would you grieve it?

AA had something like 96% of pilots get awarded vacation over Christmas a few years ago. An obvious mistake. Should the company just have rescinded it and re-run it with no benefit to the pilots who were awarded that vacation (whether they should have received it or not). BTW, AA pilots were able to get the company back to the table outside of the negotiating window to achieve gains because of this mistake.

But I'm sure 74% of the JB pilots will be fine just letting them resend the new bid without any consequences.

Ah a good point... followed by throwing 3/4 of the group under the bus. Very productive.

I sure wish we’d have voted no. We wouldn’t have any of these problems... yet.

Not throwing anyone under the bus. But we do have a special group of pilots at JB. Many willing to continue to allow JB to operate with impunity not wanting to rock the boat with that “let’s just give em one more chance” attitude.

I’m tired of it.

“Taking it back”?

They cancelled the award. If the section is active then there is a process for canceling an award.

I would expect ALPA to enforce the contract when blueJet ignores it.

Can you please post the section for “canceling” an award?

Because I don’t see it in sections 7...

I’m not defending the actions. However I think there much better things to waste grieving time on versus an award that vilotated section 7.B.1.a which seems to be fixed.

You grieve everything, period EOS. I’ve seen it personally. Something you may think isn’t right but needs to be looked at further becomes a huge deal. How often do you think the company see’s violations by themselves where they are holding their breathe hoping we don’t see them. Every f’ing day. Wait for the companies reaction. Grievances are pretty much negotiations at times.

15. Vacation Cancellation/Postponement

It's yellow. Not sure it should have been and if it is not active then there is no provision for the company to cancel an awarded vacation in the FSM or anywhere else.

As far as a waste of time. All I have seen is the company wasting time and kicking even the simplest dispute all the way through to the system board. Not for any good reason other than sport and to clog the system so that resolutions have to be made at the next system board and then next.

You talk of fairness but that is a weakness at this place. Values are a strength in the real-world but are an opportunity in the bizarro world of BlueJet.

How long was the award out for? (I didn't even see it.).

It's probably hard to believe since we're all perfect pilots that maybe somebody in crew planning isn't as perfect as us. :rolleyes:

About an hour.

Don't expect perfections. But they put the award out 3 days early. You'd figure they'd have some kind of quality control and someone double/triple checking to make sure it was run correctly. Someone obviously brought it to their attention right after the award was posted because it wasn't long after they rescinded it.

The Dependability Policy was sent out as a mistake too.

So many company apologists have come out to defend yet another extralegal measure by B6.

Until these guys mature a bit, JB pilots will be doomed to a career of mediocrity while pilots at other airlines who have some self-worth continue to make huge improvements in QOL.

It’s crazy cause the same ones who are defending the company will def pick up over Xmas and make extra dough when these grievances play out

Lol. Clear ALPA also feels like the company did the right thing... and agree that they original award violated 7.B.1.a, like I said... no mention on grieving anything from ALPA...

What is a better CYA. It violates seniority so it’s not valid or we told the pilot group to vote for a contract with a implantation plan that gave us no rights to dispute the cancellation.