Initial A220 bid
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Initial A220 bid
Just curious to know how senior the first system bid will go for A220 in August. Let’s assume roughly 50-60 crews on first bid.
Any 320 Pilots bidding over for better schedule? If so what’s your DOH year? Just curious to know. I think first bid will go
somewhat junior, around 8-12 year for Captain. Thoughts? We are scheduled to receive around 6 planes first 2 years.
Any 320 Pilots bidding over for better schedule? If so what’s your DOH year? Just curious to know. I think first bid will go
somewhat junior, around 8-12 year for Captain. Thoughts? We are scheduled to receive around 6 planes first 2 years.
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I think it's anyone's guess. We don't know anything about it yet.
I've flown with guys who say they want to be the very first ones on the airplane because they think that will lead to a lot of trips being bought off while people behind them start training. Others say they won't touch it with a 50' pole until there's a published schedule/destinations and all the kinks are worked out.
I'm in the latter. I think I'd like to fly it but I also don't want to be the guinea pig. With my luck if I went first, they'd announce that they're only doing red eye flying with it for the first couple years.
I've flown with guys who say they want to be the very first ones on the airplane because they think that will lead to a lot of trips being bought off while people behind them start training. Others say they won't touch it with a 50' pole until there's a published schedule/destinations and all the kinks are worked out.
I'm in the latter. I think I'd like to fly it but I also don't want to be the guinea pig. With my luck if I went first, they'd announce that they're only doing red eye flying with it for the first couple years.
#4
First bid will likely go more junior than the next. An 11 year 320 captain who holds a line but not weekends off won’t want to risk losing what they have. If 75% of the other left seat bids are senior to them, they’ll find themselves back on reserve for a year or more. People with nothing to lose will bid it, then senior people will have an idea where they would slot in QOL wise. I’m a junior 320 captain and have no intention of bidding it. Unknown schedules, pay cut, and no idea where I’d falls seniority wise.
The people who will eventually want it is the ~1400 seniority number 48 year olds. They’ve been bus captains for 8-10 years and hold mediocre lines that are only improved with flica. They don’t hold holidays off in a bid and not every weekend either. Summer vacation is likely a no as well. Because of our age etc, this group will have the exact same bid power for the next 10+ years. I think this is the group that ultimately makes the jump to be a 35% bidder vs a 55%.
The people who will eventually want it is the ~1400 seniority number 48 year olds. They’ve been bus captains for 8-10 years and hold mediocre lines that are only improved with flica. They don’t hold holidays off in a bid and not every weekend either. Summer vacation is likely a no as well. Because of our age etc, this group will have the exact same bid power for the next 10+ years. I think this is the group that ultimately makes the jump to be a 35% bidder vs a 55%.
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Top rates (5/1/2020) are 258/237 for the 300/100. As of now we only have 300s on order but I wouldn’t be surprised to see 100s (and 500s) at some point. Up another few bucks next May.
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Unless JB starts some mid-continent focus city with no gate shortages at all.
Last edited by Bluedriver; 02-20-2020 at 06:39 AM.
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Thanks fellas. I’m really hoping we get the A220 at SWA and was just wondering how the rates for it are stacking up at other airlines against similar fleet types.
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