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Bluedriver 03-18-2020 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by N311JB (Post 3003398)
Any math wizards know with the available cash on hand plus the credit how long B6 can operate. Assuming no furloughs, etc

Depends on some assumptions, but if you assume after countermeasures and after the airline works through its negative bookings, it could burn through $10 million a day for about 200 days.

N311JB 03-19-2020 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3003404)
Depends on some assumptions, but if you assume after countermeasures and after the airline works through its negative bookings, it could burn through $10 million a day for about 200 days.


Assuming where we're at now. Reduced leave lines. Off hand with 1 billion in cash and 1 billion in credit the 200 sounds about right. Hopefully the get a piece of the bailout I mean relief money without any earmarks

HogEars 03-19-2020 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by N311JB (Post 3003531)
Assuming where we're at now. Reduced leave lines. Off hand with 1 billion in cash and 1 billion in credit the 200 sounds about right. Hopefully the get a piece of the bailout I mean relief money without any earmarks

ALPA has a call to action letter available. Just a checkbox and then the form letter is sent to your two senators & congressman. Takes 10 seconds. Worth my time.

Trowserchilli 03-19-2020 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3003404)
Depends on some assumptions, but if you assume after countermeasures and after the airline works through its negative bookings, it could burn through $10 million a day for about 200 days.

This article is a good read. It has a good chart with all the carriers except F9. It says B6 has 94 days of cash and credit, 105 with assets included.

https://leehamnews.com/2020/03/16/us...-SonUrOmgB3Pq4

keysersose 03-19-2020 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 3003583)
This article is a good read. It has a good chart with all the carriers except F9. It says B6 has 94 days of cash and credit, 105 with assets included.

https://leehamnews.com/2020/03/16/us...-SonUrOmgB3Pq4

That was before Jetblue received another 1 billion dollar loan.

Bluedriver 03-19-2020 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 3003583)
This article is a good read. It has a good chart with all the carriers except F9. It says B6 has 94 days of cash and credit, 105 with assets included.

https://leehamnews.com/2020/03/16/us...-SonUrOmgB3Pq4

It's actually quite inaccurate. Dramatically so.

As mentioned, it doesn't include the newly acquired $1 billion in liquid cash. But possibly most striking, is that it values JB's 1/3 of its fleet which is unencumbered, as well as JB's extraordinarily valuable slot portfolio, at only $200 million.

That's off by magnitudes.

N311JB 03-19-2020 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by HogEars (Post 3003554)
ALPA has a call to action letter available. Just a checkbox and then the form letter is sent to your two senators & congressman. Takes 10 seconds. Worth my time.

Done 2 days ago and frwd to everyone I know

HogEars 03-19-2020 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by N311JB (Post 3003751)
Done 2 days ago and frwd to everyone I know

Good to hear. Thanks for your efforts.

N311JB 03-19-2020 11:06 AM

This a great perspective if mgmt starts to rumble about cutting costs

https://apple.news/ArrQGms8LQh-bKT4cV0li_w

Bluedriver 03-19-2020 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3003687)
It's actually quite inaccurate. Dramatically so.

As mentioned, it doesn't include the newly acquired $1 billion in liquid cash. But possibly most striking, is that it values JB's 1/3 of its fleet which is unencumbered, as well as JB's extraordinarily valuable slot portfolio, at only $200 million.

That's off by magnitudes.

I also forgot, this analysis was also done before JB announced 40% capacity cuts from April into the summer.

Off by magnitudes is an understatement.

SaintNick 03-19-2020 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3004353)
I also forgot, this analysis was also done before JB announced 40% capacity cuts from April into the summer.

Off by magnitudes is an understatement.

off by good or bad?

Bluedriver 03-19-2020 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3004354)
off by good or bad?

JB right now probably has 200-250 days of operating cash with some reasonable assumptions.

The article understated JBs abilities, by a lot.

SaintNick 03-19-2020 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3004369)
JB right now probably has 200-250 days of operating cash with some reasonable assumptions.

The article understated JBs abilities, by a lot.

that’s my assumptions as well.

full of luv 03-19-2020 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3003687)
It's actually quite inaccurate. Dramatically so.

As mentioned, it doesn't include the newly acquired $1 billion in liquid cash. But possibly most striking, is that it values JB's 1/3 of its fleet which is unencumbered, as well as JB's extraordinarily valuable slot portfolio, at only $200 million.

That's off by magnitudes.

not validating any of that article but the argument can be made that at THIS moment slots and used aircraft are not at peak values if needed to be liquidated.

Bluedriver 03-19-2020 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 3004591)
not validating any of that article but the argument can be made that at THIS moment slots and used aircraft are not at peak values if needed to be liquidated.

True, but the value of other airline assets would also be dramatically down, but the article doesn't seem to show that for other airlines.

I believe the author made a gross error, somehow.

Papa Bear 03-21-2020 02:15 PM

full pay to the last day...less block hours for serious gains in cba language

Combatcraig 03-21-2020 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Papa Bear (Post 3006658)
full pay to the last day...less block hours for serious gains in cba language

I like where your head I s at. I’m in. Will the FLICA *****s be? Will ALPA ask. Will the senior guys vote to keep the rookies on board? Crazy times...

Bozo the pilot 03-21-2020 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Combatcraig (Post 3006766)
I like where your head I s at. I’m in. Will the FLICA *****s be? Will ALPA ask. Will the senior guys vote to keep the rookies on board? Crazy times...

Cannot allow pay concessions. If they have to furlough, so be it, but furloughs are far down the FOG list because of cost. Plus, when things ramp up in January, theyll need every swingin D.
This is not coming back soon. Cuomo and Gruesome will keep Cali and NYC closed for 6 weeks minimum.
#Coronascam

Papa Bear 03-22-2020 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 3006939)
Cannot allow pay concessions. If they have to furlough, so be it, but furloughs are far down the FOG list because of cost. Plus, when things ramp up in January, theyll need every swingin D.
This is not coming back soon. Cuomo and Gruesome will keep Cali and NYC closed for 6 weeks minimum.
#Coronascam

Yep...i think you are right...We dont give an inch on those pay concessions. At this point ( I saw someone mention USAIR2.0) if we give in we are stuck with it for years and years to come. Gotta keep thinking long game!

If we take pay cuts ...THE COMPANY WILL FURLOUGH ANYWAYS!!!

They get less pilots at a cheaper rate.

They are always playing the long game.

Bluedriver 03-22-2020 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Papa Bear (Post 3007252)
Yep...i think you are right...We dont give an inch on those pay concessions. At this point ( I saw someone mention USAIR2.0) if we give in we are stuck with it for years and years to come. Gotta keep thinking long game!

If we take pay cuts ...THE COMPANY WILL FURLOUGH ANYWAYS!!!

They get less pilots at a cheaper rate.

They are always playing the long game.

Indeed, all true.

Bluedriver 03-22-2020 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 3006939)
Cannot allow pay concessions. If they have to furlough, so be it, but furloughs are far down the FOG list because of cost. Plus, when things ramp up in January, theyll need every swingin D.
This is not coming back soon. Cuomo and Gruesome will keep Cali and NYC closed for 6 weeks minimum.
#Coronascam

When you start seeing the dramatic number of deaths in NYC in about 10 days you might change that hashtag.

Rickce7 03-30-2020 11:19 PM

0.0000000%

aldonite7667 03-31-2020 02:16 AM

Just to reiterate..... Not... one... dime....

We negotiated a contract that gave the company the ability to handle emergencies.

Beechnut 03-31-2020 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by aldonite7667 (Post 3018057)
Just to reiterate..... Not... one... dime....

We negotiated a contract that gave the company the ability to handle emergencies.

That is my thinking too. We have a CBA to navigate the hard times, not the good times. This isn’t when we start giving things up.

Bluedriver 03-31-2020 04:46 AM

Man, you guys are hard core. Talking to some friends that are still at JB, I think you should consider giving up a lot to save the company.

At a minimum, you should consider giving up Level 1 Lift Awards, Blue SuperHero recognition and excessive emails.

If the company is really in trouble, I might suggest, as hard as this may be for you all, but it might be time to give back the potato farm. Have to save the company.

Boomer 03-31-2020 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3018113)
Man, you guys are hard core. Talking to some friends that are still at JB, I think you should consider giving up a lot to save the company.

At a minimum, you should consider giving up Level 1 Lift Awards, Blue SuperHero recognition and excessive emails.

If the company is really in trouble, I might suggest, as hard as this may be for you all, but it might be time to give back the potato farm. Have to save the company.

If we have to give up the potato farm, maybe this job isn’t worth saving.

Flyby1206 03-31-2020 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3018113)
Man, you guys are hard core. Talking to some friends that are still at JB, I think you should consider giving up a lot to save the company.

At a minimum, you should consider giving up Level 1 Lift Awards, Blue SuperHero recognition and excessive emails.

If the company is really in trouble, I might suggest, as hard as this may be for you all, but it might be time to give back the potato farm. Have to save the company.

I’ll give up my Lift Awards when you pry them from my cold dead hands!!!

https://cdn1-thr-com.cdn.ampproject....907-h_2019.jpg

Bozo the pilot 03-31-2020 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3018152)
I’ll give up my Lift Awards when you pry them from my cold dead hands!!!

https://cdn1-thr-com.cdn.ampproject....907-h_2019.jpg

Lovin all of this :D

Phil Laschio 04-03-2020 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 3018128)
If we have to give up the potato farm, maybe this job isn’t worth saving.

We gotta think outside the box. Boiled potatoes. Fried potatoes. Potatoes cocktail. Steamed potatoes. Hash browns. Au gratin. French fries. Tater tots. Kettle chips. Our new venture- Robin Gump potato farm.

Bozo the pilot 04-03-2020 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3022353)
We gotta think outside the box. Boiled potatoes. Fried potatoes. Potatoes cocktail. Steamed potatoes. Hash browns. Au gratin. French fries. Tater tots. Kettle chips. Our new venture- Robin Gump potato farm.

You forgot Shrimp n Potatoes.


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