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hyperboy 03-30-2020 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by copy (Post 3017897)
Notifications August 1st (60 days notice) for October 1st effective date. Meets the CBA and the bailout requirements. Just a guess though...still largely dependent on what happens in the next 4 months.


It would also have all in place for the annual bid in August.

Boomer 03-30-2020 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull (Post 3017890)
Such an optimist.

I'm going to guess the company will push for " circumstances beyond the control of the Company" ( natural disaster? vs. state of the economy)

and that will get furloughed pilots 2 months of pay ( less than 2 years on property...1 month of pay)

Except Giggity is already on record saying our schedules were cut due to reduction in customer demand. Not because of quarantines or disasters or employee sick-outs.

Several memos from senior management point the finger at one thing. “Last year we made X million a day, and today we’re refunding x million for cancelled tickets”. It’s a signed confession if they try to wiggle out of the CBA.

CBA 23.C.4
...The term “circumstances
beyond the control of the Company” shall not include the price of fuel
or other supplies, the price of aircraft, the state of the economy, the finan-
cial state of the Company, the relative profitability or unprofitability of
the Company’s then-current operations.

Boomer 03-30-2020 08:48 PM

Reductions blamed directly on the economy and profits, not natural disasters. From the Chip/Giggity letter on March 18:

“...Even though we entered this from a position of strength with a strong balance sheet and cash in the bank, because of the dramatic fall-off in bookings, we need to reduce our spending immediately so that we can continue to fund JetBlue’s operations and ensure your jobs are protected. We have already announced an initial capacity reduction, pay cuts for our officers (VPs and above), voluntary time off programs, re-negotiated Business Partners agreements, and other spending reductions.“

Flyby1206 03-31-2020 03:37 AM

I’m going to call it right now.

Zero furloughs for JB.

(This may not age well!)

CaptCoolHand 03-31-2020 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3018078)
I’m going to call it right now.

Zero furloughs for JB.

(This may not age well!)

I hope you’re right. But I feel like it’s inevitable.
Were going to park planes. Depending on how many obviously and when demand is expected to return will determine a lot and that’s a moving target.

jmo but I hope after voluntary LOAs, early outs (the few we’ve got eligible), and reduced credit lines we keep it under 500.

I know alpa is also working on many efficiencies that the company refused to allow previously. Things that will save jblu millions.
this also has the potential to save more jobs.

AYLflyer 03-31-2020 05:09 AM

Offer more 50hr lines or something similar. I'm happy to take reduced hours to keep guys off the streets. I also feel like furloughs are inevitable but I want to keep people on property as long as humanly possible. If that means my credit hours drop, so be it.

Blue Dude 03-31-2020 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 3018126)
Offer more 50hr lines or something similar. I'm happy to take reduced hours to keep guys off the streets. I also feel like furloughs are inevitable but I want to keep people on property as long as humanly possible. If that means my credit hours drop, so be it.

This is the purpose of 23.A, which shouldn't be negotiated in public.

nuball5 03-31-2020 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 3018126)
Offer more 50hr lines or something similar. I'm happy to take reduced hours to keep guys off the streets. I also feel like furloughs are inevitable but I want to keep people on property as long as humanly possible. If that means my credit hours drop, so be it.

After seeing what’s currently happening with the April pairings, I’m guessing that May will have less volunteers for the 50 hour lines. I’ve heard of some that have had their flying reduced to almost 0 in the past couple days, while still crediting 70-75 hours.

I commend you for taking the 50 hour line to help mitigate the amount of furloughs we would
need to do....I don’t think everyone has the same mindset. Maybe I’m wrong, but most took the 50 hour line to just get a break from working or avoid Covid-19 exposure.

Boomer 03-31-2020 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by copy (Post 3017897)
Notifications August 1st (60 days notice) for October 1st effective date. Meets the CBA and the bailout requirements. Just a guess though...still largely dependent on what happens in the next 4 months.

Furloughs begin October 1, and if the voluntary furloughs go senior like the incentive lines did, the six months of pay for furloughed pilots will continue until the April 8th, 2021 paycheck.

In other words, the earliest the company starts saving money with a furlough is April 20, 2021.

With 50-hour incentive lines, they save money every month, starting April 20 THIS year. Plus they retain the flexibility to change the headcount for each base on a monthly basis.

dingo222 03-31-2020 05:23 AM

We still have several hundred pilots sitting scr everyday like we are still running full tilt at 1000 flights a day. Better start bringing the bang stick up to Kew Gardens to fight off the zombies and Venezuela style food shortages. It would take a flick of a pen to put most of them on lcr with the schedule draw down, but let’s keep moving pilots in and out of major population centers and then sending them back to spread the love. We are contributing to the very thing that is destroying our industry. Culture


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