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SaintNick 04-05-2020 05:24 AM

How senior will SCR go?
 
Now that we are winding down 75%+ of our flying how senior will scr go for any local guy just not wanting to work.

nuball5 04-05-2020 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3024060)
Now that we are winding down 75%+ of our flying how senior will scr go for any local guy just not wanting to work.

The ability to pad your credit with easy open-time trips are only limited to those willing to sit watching Flica all day. So yes....probably better off doing Reserve unless you’re one of those select few.

Phil Laschio 04-05-2020 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3024060)
Now that we are winding down 75%+ of our flying how senior will scr go for any local guy just not wanting to work.

I hope super senior. Because the last thing a commuter wants is to sit in a Kew Crashpad for a week doing absolutely nothing. Well, except getting infected. So please, if you’re senior... SCR is all you.

capt707 04-05-2020 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3024117)
Because the last thing a commuter wants is to sit in a Kew Crashpad for a week doing absolutely nothing. Well, except getting infected..

Yeah, I'd be taking an unpaid Leave of Absence at that point, which I'm sure they would grant me right now with no problem. Nothing would be worse than what you described.

GuppyPuppy 04-05-2020 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3024087)
The ability to pad your credit with easy open-time trips are only limited to those willing to sit watching Flica all day. So yes....probably better off doing Reserve unless you’re one of those select few.

I PTO'd a trip at 0230 this morning. Gone in less than 2 minutes. No way a guy gets an alert, decides he wants the trip, logs on to Flica, puts in the request and gets approved in less than 2 minutes at 0230.

Bots, I'm sure. Wish I could prove it.

Gup

Bgood 04-05-2020 09:44 AM

BOS 190 FOs
 
Senior local BOS 190 FOs (even senior local ANY seat guys)

Please please please bid SCR for May. I believe I speak for the commuter junior guys when I say I don't want to get stuck in a crashpad with RONA serving me bfast lunch and dinner. Atleast you all will be home and so will we unless we are flying.

Speedbird2263 04-05-2020 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy (Post 3024289)
I PTO'd a trip at 0230 this morning. Gone in less than 2 minutes. No way a guy gets an alert, decides he wants the trip, logs on to Flica, puts in the request and gets approved in less than 2 minutes at 0230.

Bots, I'm sure. Wish I could prove it.

Gup

Alerts for a long time, for good trips( now all trips it seems), have only served to alert you of a trip you've missed and has already been picked up. At least in my experience. YMMV

SaintNick 04-05-2020 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Speedbird2263 (Post 3024321)
Alerts for a long time, for good trips( now all trips it seems), have only served to alert you of a trip you've missed and has already been picked up. At least in my experience. YMMV

doesn’t make bots ethical. I wish flics would have some sort of captcha.

SaintNick 04-05-2020 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3024317)
Senior local BOS 190 FOs (even senior local ANY seat guys)

Please please please bid SCR for May. I believe I speak for the commuter junior guys when I say I don't want to get stuck in a crashpad with RONA serving me bfast lunch and dinner. Atleast you all will be home and so will we unless we are flying.

I say any local would be awesome if they bid scr. You won’t be flying and saves other guys from sitting in a crashpad doing nothing but getting sick.

copy 04-05-2020 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3024361)
doesn’t make bots ethical. I wish flics would have some sort of captcha.

That won’t stop a bot. The guys with bots are way ahead of the game.

The only thing I’ve heard that makes sense and would work is to have a 2 or 5 or 10 minute or however much time lag from when it drops to when it can be assigned. If multiple people bid on it, then there’d be a system to assign it (based on seniority, total credit, randomized, etc).

copy 04-05-2020 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3024364)
I say any local any seat should bid scr. You won’t be flying and saves other guys from sitting in a crashpad doing nothing but getting sick.

I agree, but I’ll also say that anyone who doesn’t want to sit in a crashpad for a month could have and should have bid for a VIL. I think it went junior enough in every seat for May to accommodate those who wanted it.

SaintNick 04-05-2020 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by copy (Post 3024375)
I agree, but I’ll also say that anyone who doesn’t want to sit in a crashpad for a month could have and should have bid for a VIL. I think it went junior enough in every seat for May to accommodate those who wanted it.

very true. I plan on bidding rsv this month so others don’t have to.

Bgood 04-05-2020 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by copy (Post 3024375)
I agree, but I’ll also say that anyone who doesn’t want to sit in a crashpad for a month could have and should have bid for a VIL. I think it went junior enough in every seat for May to accommodate those who wanted it.

True. But 50hrs first yr pay rate can't cut it yet for some who are fresh outta regional pay. I'm planning on VILing for June and July after saving enough in April/May to make it on 50hrs pay June and July. Its a flip flop.

Phil Laschio 04-05-2020 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by copy (Post 3024375)
I agree, but I’ll also say that anyone who doesn’t want to sit in a crashpad for a month could have and should have bid for a VIL. I think it went junior enough in every seat for May to accommodate those who wanted it.

There’s the gray area of guys that were junior line holders (my situation). Bidding the VIL is a gamble. If it goes senior you hold a line. If it goes junior you potentially go to SCR. So guys that were not sitting in a Crashpad may now be solely because of the behavior of others. It’s the game I get it. 31 years flying. I’m not worried about the CP per se. it’s the ability to get food and supplies given the nature of Queens in general.

Concentrated pockets of ethnically similar multi-generational families illegally cohabitating within insufficient square footage. You can’t legally jam grandma or renters in the attic simply by installing drywall. So it’s carry out from the kid that sneezed on my food or jam six inches from someone else in the neighborhood bodega. There’s no good solution. The ethically questionable solution for me is if a fever pops I’m getting out of Dodge ASAP. A Queen’s hospital or field hospital? No thanks. Taking temp twice a day at work.

Lastly, if things REALLY go south I’ve got a license to carry in TX. A shotgun. A rifle. Handguns. I can shoot. My wife can shoot. The kids can shoot. NYC? A maglite? I presume the sickness peak will decline in May. I was declined a VIL in April. They asked for 15 and awarded 5.

Softpayman 04-05-2020 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3024450)

Lastly, if things REALLY go south I’ve got a license to carry in TX. A shotgun. A rifle. Handguns. I can shoot. My wife can shoot. The kids can shoot. NYC? A maglite? I presume the sickness peak will decline in May. I was declined a VIL in April. They asked for 15 and awarded 5.

NY is forecast to peak around April 9. Texas, about a month later.

Phil Laschio 04-05-2020 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 3024480)
NY is forecast to peak around April 9. Texas, about a month later.

Well the commute has really fallen apart. AA cancels at least half the flights to NYC from DFW and Spirit won’t go to NY or NJ. Delta stopped JFK and flies only 1 afternoon flight to LGA. There’s a stay at home order in Dallas and Ft. Worth but the grocery stores and Lowe’s/Home Depot are packed. See lots of Grandma buying flowers. I needed fencing materials to repair wind damage to keep the animals in so I went at 7a.

Speedbird2263 04-05-2020 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3024361)
doesn’t make bots ethical. I wish flics would have some sort of captcha.

I didn't infer that they were, just an observation. I agree that the playing field should always be level.

Flyby1206 04-05-2020 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3024487)
Well the commute has really fallen apart. AA cancels at least half the flights to NYC from DFW and Spirit won’t go to NY or NJ. Delta stopped JFK and flies only 1 afternoon flight to LGA. There’s a stay at home order in Dallas and Ft. Worth but the grocery stores and Lowe’s/Home Depot are packed. See lots of Grandma buying flowers. I needed fencing materials to repair wind damage to keep the animals in so I went at 7a.

And to come fill circle, this is why SCR will go junior. OOP calls with commute issues.

Phil Laschio 04-05-2020 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3024510)
And to come fill circle, this is why SCR will go junior. OOP calls with commute issues.

Well, when your second 3 day pairing is modified 4 times in 30 hours, opening up a 2 day gap between your back to back three days, leaving you two full days in a Crashpad in NYC, You bug out with the intent of commuting back. Especially when your first leg is a late DH JFK BOS. But when your self to BOS is still not addressed 18 hours later, and you can’t get to JFK because the flights to NYC cancelled, but you could have gotten to BOS but now it’s too late, you just take the OOP and let the company figure it out. Trying to be, “understanding” but there are logistical issues effecting commuters. One of them being an unwillingness to spend more time than necessary in NYC.

Softpayman 04-05-2020 04:39 PM

Would long call be better for those not wanting to fly?

Flyby1206 04-05-2020 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3024667)
Well, when your second 3 day pairing is modified 4 times in 30 hours, opening up a 2 day gap between your back to back three days, leaving you two full days in a Crashpad in NYC, You bug out with the intent of commuting back. Especially when your first leg is a late DH JFK BOS. But when your self to BOS is still not addressed 18 hours later, and you can’t get to JFK because the flights to NYC cancelled, but you could have gotten to BOS but now it’s too late, you just take the OOP and let the company figure it out. Trying to be, “understanding” but there are logistical issues effecting commuters. One of them being an unwillingness to spend more time than necessary in NYC.

Oh I absolutely agree, and I truly do feel for those who are commuters. That is a hell I wouldn't wish on my enemies even in a normal airline schedule environment.

SaintNick 04-05-2020 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 3024685)
Would long call be better for those not wanting to fly?

they get used first. Go look at the rsv availability in flics. Lcr are used the most. Especially with broken pairings.

SaintNick 04-05-2020 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3024667)
Well, when your second 3 day pairing is modified 4 times in 30 hours, opening up a 2 day gap between your back to back three days, leaving you two full days in a Crashpad in NYC, You bug out with the intent of commuting back. Especially when your first leg is a late DH JFK BOS. But when your self to BOS is still not addressed 18 hours later, and you can’t get to JFK because the flights to NYC cancelled, but you could have gotten to BOS but now it’s too late, you just take the OOP and let the company figure it out. Trying to be, “understanding” but there are logistical issues effecting commuters. One of them being an unwillingness to spend more time than necessary in NYC.

This reads like it happened to you!

nuball5 04-05-2020 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3024744)
they get used first. Go look at the rsv availability in flics. Lcr are used the most. Especially with broken pairings.

More often than not its the SCR’s who get called for the broken pairings. Normally they get picked up by lineholders, but a good portion of the broken pairings get built under the 3.5 hour mark, so it goes to a SCR.

todd1200 04-05-2020 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3024450)
Concentrated pockets of ethnically similar multi-generational families illegally cohabitating within insufficient square footage.

Are you talking about crashpads?

Gordie H 04-05-2020 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 3024891)
Are you talking about crashpads?

No, I think he's talking about our crew room

SaintNick 04-06-2020 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3024884)
More often than not its the SCR’s who get called for the broken pairings. Normally they get picked up by lineholders, but a good portion of the broken pairings get built under the 3.5 hour mark, so it goes to a SCR.

I bid it one month for fun and was used all the freaking time on broken pairings. Was just my experience. I actually broke the 75 hours and tried to get released but they decided it was worth more to them to pay me above guaranteed.

BunkerF16 04-06-2020 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3025009)
I bid it one month for fun and was used all the freaking time on broken pairings. Was just my experience. I actually broke the 75 hours and tried to get released but they decided it was worth more to them to pay me above guaranteed.

Apr - this fall is a different animal. There is NO open time. Zero. I think LCR will barely get used at all through most of the rest of this year until this turns around. If there are last minute crew necessities, it'll be SCR that gets used. If you want to fly less, I think LCR is the way to go for a while.

nuball5 04-06-2020 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3025009)
I bid it one month for fun and was used all the freaking time on broken pairings. Was just my experience. I actually broke the 75 hours and tried to get released but they decided it was worth more to them to pay me above guaranteed.

Sooooo...did you have fun?

Phil Laschio 04-06-2020 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3024719)
Oh I absolutely agree, and I truly do feel for those who are commuters. That is a hell I wouldn't wish on my enemies even in a normal airline schedule environment.

I can’t believe I’m actually looking at AA to DCA, Uber to Union Station, and Amtrak to NYC. WTF is wrong with me? All for a 4 day that now consists of 2 working legs equaling 1:50 total, 4 DHs, 2 limos, and a mid pairing NYC overnight in Flushing. Only to end around 4p after which all flights out will likely be cancelled. How much of this bottle of Cuban duty free Rum have I consumed? Oh man, that’s a LOT.

Speedbird2263 04-06-2020 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 3025130)
Apr - this fall is a different animal. There is NO open time. Zero. I think LCR will barely get used at all through most of the rest of this year until this turns around. If there are last minute crew necessities, it'll be SCR that gets used. If you want to fly less, I think LCR is the way to go for a while.

I agree, just looking at the past few days of reserve assignments and opentime being more scarce than rain in the Atacama, LCR should be a no brainer.

usmc-sgt 04-07-2020 01:22 AM

LCL is a miserable form of torture, but what you’re saying is true. I actually bid for it for next month. There is just no way a LCL actually touches a plane.

SaintNick 04-07-2020 04:19 AM

It’s crazy that there are more reserves in Boston today than total number of
flights.

Softpayman 04-07-2020 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 3025844)
It’s crazy that there are more reserves in Boston today than total number of
flights.

Strange times indeed. Stranger though given the circumstances would be 100 flights operating.

capt707 04-07-2020 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Speedbird2263 (Post 3025627)
I agree, just looking at the past few days of reserve assignments and opentime being more scarce than rain in the Atacama, LCR should be a no brainer.

I honestly don't think it matters if you bid SCR or LCR. Trips that are dropping in open time are gone within seconds. They dropped a bunch of ferry flights to the desert yesterday, and all the trips were picked up within a minute.

Phil Laschio 04-07-2020 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by capt707 (Post 3025945)
I honestly don't think it matters if you bid SCR or LCR. Trips that are dropping in open time are gone within seconds. They dropped a bunch of ferry flights to the desert yesterday, and all the trips were picked up within a minute.

Was wondering when those were going to drop. I’ve been popping in and out of flica. No alerts or anything. Just checking to see what’s up. Never saw them.

copy 04-07-2020 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Phil Laschio (Post 3025965)
Was wondering when those were going to drop. I’ve been popping in and out of flica. No alerts or anything. Just checking to see what’s up. Never saw them.

none were jfk, so that could be a factor


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