SaintNick

So dissatisfied with the mec right now...

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Boomer

x4 on the MEC.

But watching the ALPA call last night it does seem as if the NC did their homework.

The NC chair is former Comair, so I hope he remembers how much trust is appropriate when a management team comes to you for concessions.

ALPA National - The one guy couldn’t talk about anything other than COVID. It’s clear they are negotiating for COVID relief and the ten year hit to our Scope is just collateral damage to them.

Still a no. Scope is not for sale.

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That E&FA doom and gloom presentation focused on a retrospective horrible year and was somewhat dismissive of falling case counts, vaccine rollout, and the recovery, which, even the company leadership has said they believe is coming, and they are planning their business strategies and investor guidance accordingly. Pretty pathetic when ALPA is selling more fear and doom & gloom than the company to try to get a yes vote. I pay them $4-$5k a year for that garbage too. I know several former “on the fence” and yes voters who, after Warren’s pompous attitude on the afternoon call, and ALPAs’s fear/sell job on the evening call, are firm no votes. Something stinks. And more and more people can smell it now.

PotatoChip

My only fear is that it passes.

feltf4

I didn’t listen to call. Only so much of the stuff that I can handle being jammed down my throat. Can you elaborate on what else stuck out on either of those calls ALPA or company

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Company: This will be great. Trust us. We will be adding so much flying! (But they wouldn’t answer why they won’t guarantee furloughs for the duration of the NEA or the LOA). Boasted about how they haven’t furloughed or sent WARNs, and how they’ve been nimble and added new routes during the pandemic (didn’t hear them mention the other side of the coin suspending service in others though). And after many many asks about PS, they finally put Warren on to tell us they will look at it again in the next section 6 negotiations that are right around the corner, as part of the PS task force they were gonna do, but they aren’t doing it now. Key takeaway to me is that they have now said, on the record, it is in fact negotiable, just not right now. Also imo, everything is negotiable right now when they are asking for scope relief.

B6ALPA: Started off with a doom and gloom E&FA presentation. Then talked about why they think the company can only grow, but didn't really address the 2027 earliest compliance of any of the growth metrics. Didn’t answer why they didn’t secure furlough protection for the duration of the agreement. Said their normal “we asked, they said no” about why they got so little in exchange. Extolled the virtues of 2% and the waiting room. Tried to minimize the scope give by highlighting the possibility of more flying. But again, failed to answer any tough questions. I lost a lot of faith in the NC and MEC yesterday. They had zero no voters on the call. Every single person supported it and was selling hard. I was actually hoping they’d be able to change my mind, because I want to want this agreement and see what they see if it is so good for us. After hours talking to reps, watching and reading everything I can about this, I just don’t see it.

Both presentations reeked of desperation and my perception is they both know it’s going to fail. Warren said they are proceeding anyway even if we vote it down. My guess is they will go back to the table, as litigating/arbitrating this will potentially cost both ALPA and the company a lot of money.

nuball5

Funny that the company is painting less doom and gloom than the company, or maybe I should’nt be laughing. Besides WC, I think people like SL and SP have been transparent about both the NEA and where they see the industry and Jetblue going in the next year or so.

feltf4

Did anyone ask, what they would do if this is fails to pass?

sounds like nothing? Just keep on keeping on? Maybe we can some guys maybe we don’t?