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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3385072)
During the later stages of the last high oil price period airlines got pretty good at passing most of the oil price through to customers via ticket prices and oil surcharges. It all depends on what happens to travel demand. If demand remains high, there will be less or minimal impact. Some airlines will certainly cut routes, and the more aggressive airlines and the airlines that are managed well enough to be attractive to customers might take the opportunity to grab the remaining available market share.
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3385053)
Using a historical inflation calculator, oils previous record of $145 in 2008 translates to a price of $189 today just to match it's previous record high.
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
(Post 3385099)
Except that oil should be deflationary and its cost should decrease over time as we have better technology to extract more and more of it. The fact that it is increasing is a very bad sign.
But, this is an unusual time as we have an open war going on in Europe. To expect no energy price disruption, or to be a bed wetter because you didn't expect an energy price disruption is ridiculous. Especially as the price of oil is no where near it's inflation adjusted all time high, not even close. The last time oil was LESS than it costs now, most other goods we bought cost half what it does now... So everything else has doubled in price since 2008, but oil hasn't even matched it's 2008 price. And it's not a "sign", there is a major war going on and the state engaging in that war is a major oil producer. It's not a sign, it's a symptom of current events. Change your diaper and your bed sheets. |
Originally Posted by Bluedriver
(Post 3385110)
No, not really. The easy and plentiful sources are becoming more scarce. It takes high tech ways of getting oil from more difficult places, just to meet demand. Some of those high tech, higher cost means of production were temporarily shut down when the price of oil crashed. They will now become economically viable again and will come back online in time. Won't happen tomorrow, or Thursday, but in the coming months/year they will be producing more oil again.
But, this is an unusual time as we have an open war going on in Europe. To expect no energy price disruption, or to be a bed wetter because you didn't expect an energy price disruption is ridiculous. Especially as the price of oil is no where near it's inflation adjusted all time high, not even close. The last time oil was LESS than it costs now, most other goods we bought cost half what it does now... So everything else has doubled in price since 2008, but oil hasn't even matched it's 2008 price. And it's not a "sign", there is a major war going on and the state engaging in that war is a major oil producer. It's not a sign, it's a symptom of current events. Change your diaper and your bed sheets. |
I'm starting to read Peter Zeihan's "Absent Superpower," which opens with some fantastic information about shale. The general feel I get is that as long as we have a President who's beholden to the environmental religious orthodoxy of the left, we're in for a tough ride. So are the Ukrainians, but that's another topic. The short version is we have the ability to be largely energy independent in North America if that was politically palatable to the latte liberal crowd. But it's not, so here we are. Draw your own conclusions.
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
(Post 3385141)
I'm starting to read Peter Zeihan's "Absent Superpower," which opens with some fantastic information about shale. The general feel I get is that as long as we have a President who's beholden to the environmental religious orthodoxy of the left, we're in for a tough ride. So are the Ukrainians, but that's another topic. The short version is we have the ability to be largely energy independent in North America if that was politically palatable to the latte liberal crowd. But it's not, so here we are. Draw your own conclusions.
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
(Post 3385141)
I'm starting to read Peter Zeihan's "Absent Superpower," which opens with some fantastic information about shale. The general feel I get is that as long as we have a President who's beholden to the environmental religious orthodoxy of the left, we're in for a tough ride. So are the Ukrainians, but that's another topic. The short version is we have the ability to be largely energy independent in North America if that was politically palatable to the latte liberal crowd. But it's not, so here we are. Draw your own conclusions.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uction-in-2023 The United States is the largest oil producer in the world: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...oducers-nc.pnghttps://www.bbc.com/news/58888451 There are literally hundreds of unused approved government drilling permits out there the oil companies haven’t used yet. I have two family members who work in this industry. This isn’t the left/Biden’s fault. The US oil companies let go tens thousands of employees under Trump because of the covid crisis fuel slump. They are still recovering from that, and the shale/fracking industry was already downtrodden before covid. It takes time to put all those contractors and resources back into action. It’s a multi-year process. The US consumes roughly 18 million barrels a day and is capable of producing just over 16 million barrels a day. We could essentially be self reliant now! But the big oil companies are simply trying to use this crisis for their long term gain. We let them sell our oil away to other nations |
And five months after oil hit $145 in 2008 it was at $31...............history.
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Originally Posted by hair-on-fire
(Post 3385321)
And five months after oil hit $145 in 2008 it was at $31...............history.
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Oil spikes are short lived, unless OPEC decides to not increase quotas. Shifts in production and changes in logistics (this time Russia) don’t happen over night. It’s a global market (but not a free market) influenced by a cartel and the politics of the day. Price panics (usually) incentivize production where it’s easy. Prolonged price hikes incentivize new exploration and technology. The Saudis tried their darndest to kill the shale industry by increasing supply and suppressing prices.
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