Manuals other than CBA binding?
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Manuals other than CBA binding?
So the Bluebook has dependability policy, and according to instructors there is a manual that governs them separate from the CBA. What makes these manuals binding on the pilots under the CBA? I'm sure there are other examples.
Also, one of the pilots I was recently flying with said his "boss" was the chief pilot. I don't see anywhere in the CBA where it says that. I've always taken the view my "boss" is the CBA. Is this incorrect? The instructor at the schoolhouse said his "boss" was some supervisor.
Also, one of the pilots I was recently flying with said his "boss" was the chief pilot. I don't see anywhere in the CBA where it says that. I've always taken the view my "boss" is the CBA. Is this incorrect? The instructor at the schoolhouse said his "boss" was some supervisor.
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The Chief Pilot is your boss. He is above you in the chain of command. The CBA is just an employment contract, not a supervisor. When you want a special day off or you get in trouble for something, it’s the Chief Pilot you talk to, directly or indirectly.
And as far as “which manuals do I need to follow besides the CBA?” All of them.
And as far as “which manuals do I need to follow besides the CBA?” All of them.
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The Chief Pilot is your boss. He is above you in the chain of command. The CBA is just an employment contract, not a supervisor. When you want a special day off or you get in trouble for something, it’s the Chief Pilot you talk to, directly or indirectly.
And as far as “which manuals do I need to follow besides the CBA?” All of them.
And as far as “which manuals do I need to follow besides the CBA?” All of them.
So, the Company can write anything it wants in any manual it wants, and if it says pilots must comply, that's the end of it? That seems a bit odd.
Also, where does it say a Chief Pilot is the "boss" of the associated line pilots?
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Base CP's are flight ops managers. System chief is Flight Ops Director. It's pretty plan to see in the corporate structure in the FOM. ALPA is third party representative acting on our behalf. You can choose not to have third party representation but you still pay a fee which is almost the same price as ALPA representation. I thought this was common knowledge, unionized pilot 101 stuff...
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[QUOTE=BackseatPilot;3413008]So, the Company can write anything it wants in any manual it wants, and if it says pilots must comply, that's the end of it? That seems a bit odd.
The company dropped dependability into the FOM just before we unionized for this very reason. They wanted to control this document not have ALPA have any say in it.
The company dropped dependability into the FOM just before we unionized for this very reason. They wanted to control this document not have ALPA have any say in it.
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