We have a pilot attrition problem
04-26-2022, 03:16 AM
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We have a pilot attrition problem
So say JG in a press release!
granted, the press release was to blame everyone but management…. But fairly incredible that they acknowledge we have a problem…..
granted, the press release was to blame everyone but management…. But fairly incredible that they acknowledge we have a problem…..
04-26-2022, 04:11 AM
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So instead of increasing pay, or providing profit sharing which would improve moralle, bring back the customer experience that made this place, and provide incentives to find other efficiencies (thus saving money in the long run), we will just spend millions on new sims and instructors.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
04-26-2022, 04:18 AM
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Yes, we have pilot attrition, but it has actually slowed down a bit. It is not as bad as other airlines (e.g. Alaska). OSC is/was a complete mess for the last few months, again, due to management failures. This management team has never taken responsibility or accountability for anything, it’s always someone else's fault!
04-26-2022, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
Yes, we have pilot attrition, but it has actually slowed down a bit. It is not as bad as other airlines (e.g. Alaska). OSC is/was a complete mess for the last few months, again, due to management failures. This management team has never taken responsibility or accountability for anything, it’s always someone else's fault!
04-26-2022, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer
So instead of increasing pay, or providing profit sharing which would improve moralle, bring back the customer experience that made this place, and provide incentives to find other efficiencies (thus saving money in the long run), we will just spend millions on new sims and instructors.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
04-26-2022, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer
So instead of increasing pay, or providing profit sharing which would improve moralle, bring back the customer experience that made this place, and provide incentives to find other efficiencies (thus saving money in the long run), we will just spend millions on new sims and instructors.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
04-26-2022, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JayRalstonSmith
I was heartened today to hear Hayes say on earnings that pay rates will converge across all carriers, which means everyone is going to get PAID.
-wise man referencing our next contract
04-26-2022, 07:22 AM
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Absolutely disgusting call. Attrition of pilots is mentioned many times, and even cited as the main reason for restricting future growth plans. Their solution? Just plan for more attrition, plan for more training events, and accept less airline growth.
Virtually no mention whatsoever about fixing ANY of the reasons pilots leave JB. Truly disgusting "leadership". Can't manage the operation, can't manage personnel retention and morale. What would their solution be if they couldn't attract and retain executive talent? I know the answer, they know the answer, but somehow that's not really considered for the group that drives the airplanes.
They won't even take simplest, most basic step of offering profit sharing.
And the stock is falling like a boulder today.
Virtually no mention whatsoever about fixing ANY of the reasons pilots leave JB. Truly disgusting "leadership". Can't manage the operation, can't manage personnel retention and morale. What would their solution be if they couldn't attract and retain executive talent? I know the answer, they know the answer, but somehow that's not really considered for the group that drives the airplanes.
They won't even take simplest, most basic step of offering profit sharing.
And the stock is falling like a boulder today.
04-26-2022, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Absolutely disgusting call. Attrition of pilots is mentioned many times, and even cited as the main reason for restricting future growth plans. Their solution? Just plan for more attrition, plan for more training events, and accept less airline growth.
Virtually no mention whatsoever about fixing ANY of the reasons pilots leave JB. Truly disgusting "leadership". Can't manage the operation, can't manage personnel retention and morale. What would their solution be if they couldn't attract and retain executive talent? I know the answer, they know the answer, but somehow that's not really considered for the group that drives the airplanes.
They won't even take simplest, most basic step of offering profit sharing.
And the stock is falling like a boulder today.
Virtually no mention whatsoever about fixing ANY of the reasons pilots leave JB. Truly disgusting "leadership". Can't manage the operation, can't manage personnel retention and morale. What would their solution be if they couldn't attract and retain executive talent? I know the answer, they know the answer, but somehow that's not really considered for the group that drives the airplanes.
They won't even take simplest, most basic step of offering profit sharing.
And the stock is falling like a boulder today.
But man, tough call. “Doubling down on culture.” “Relying on gateway hiring programs which have lower attrition.” All while saying pilot staffing is the limiting factor for growth. Despite golden handcuffs, I might need to get some apps together.
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