Everybody(JB and NK pilots) better get their heads together for JCBA.

JB is no longer a LCC. It hasn’t been for years now. Our cost are inline with and sometimes exceed the big 4.

In 2025 JB will be a 9,000 pilot airline with flights from Europe to Hawaii with lay flat seats the entire way.

 

Here ya go

 

How the company makes money in the back has no bearing on how I should be compensated. I didn’t in the past, it doesn’t now, and it won’t in the future. I value myself the same as any legacy pilot always no matter what the product is behind me. That’s someone else’s decision

 

Actually, I think the main reason Delta pilots make so much is because they have to fly with each other.

 

Now that’s funny right there.

 

I guess I've changed my mind. I was leaning toward voting yes. but now I'm voting no.

Delta voted no and got more. united voted no and are surely on the way to getting more. what is happening with American? didn't they also vote no on something?

I think the nc and mec can only do so much. I think they did a lot negotiating with the company. but I think now it's our turn. by saying no we can show the company that just like Delta and united and maybe American, they need to give us more.
unfortunately for the way I feel, I think that the company gave just enough so that this passes. which of course is their goal from their side of the negotiations.

but I really think saying no to this would show the company that we as a whole group know we deserve more.

 

To all of you thinking “we will get them in the JCBA”, I truly believe passing this codification of industry trailing pay will weaken our position for a JCBA, not strengthen it.

First off, this right here was our shot at profit sharing. If we let that ship sail on us now, it’s not turning back. We had profit sharing, even with the juicy cliff, it did payout, and then the company decided we weren’t worth it, and they unilaterally killed it, as it wasn’t codified. Then the JCBA came, and our union codified the worthless never-gonna-pay-squat formula, lending it tacit approval. “Don’t worry, we will get it next time”. Well - NEWSFLASH - this is next time, the union even said so. This will put the final blue-pilot seal of approval on the fact that blue pilots agree they don’t deserve profit sharing. There will be way too many moving pieces in a JCBA, and there will already be a lot of heavy lifting to bring Spirit up to our compensation while also trying to keep some of the good Spirit stuff. Our union have clearly demonstrated they are willing to sacrifice PS to seal a deal, I can’t understand why anyone would think next time will magically be different.

Next, just days after DAL announces their industry-leading TA, we settle for rates below theirs. Our 220-300 pay is below even their 220-100 pay. So we clearly broadcast that we agree we don’t deserve industry-leading pay. Then, as if that weren’t enough, we etch that message into stone by codifying that laughable industry-AVERAGE “snap-up” clause, which, be definition, could never be even equal to whoever is industry-leading, as it gets pulled down by the others in the group. The icing on that blech-cake is that, just after our last crummy LOA removed Alaska from our peer set, our pilot group is now saying we are fine with them again, but we set our comparison window a month before theirs, so we will have to wait a year to get any raise, however small, that results from our snap-to-average.

My point being, this TA broadcasts to all who will listen that our pilot group agrees that we do not deserve industry leading pay, and we don’t care enough about profit sharing to fight for it. If we aren’t willing to use our leverage now, what makes anyone think next time will be different?

 

It started with the United Tumi TA that actually past the BOD vote and was being sent to the pilots. After receiving a bunch of backlash from the pilot group, the membership vote was delayed and the TA was eventually shot down in spectacular fashion.

AA later had a TA, but it never made it past the APA BOD vote. Shot down 15-5 before reaching the membership. Shortly after DAL announced their current AIP. DALPA never voted anything down in this round. They’ve been in mediation since the onset of negotiations.

 

Watch it you already got banned from jblupilots.

 

I was thinking i would vote yes. But it isn’t enough. I’m going to vote no.