Desdi

Considering the MCO A320 base has already has grown by close to 60-70 crews in the last 3 months alone (from the closure of the 190 MCO base) I don’t see how what you heard is that is far fetched, almost mandatory per CBA ALV stipulation if I’m not mistaken!

Noisecanceller

Since you seem to like to make the same posts in different places here is the same answer.

Any speculation on seniority list integration is just that, speculation. No one knows how it will shake out. Spirit ALPA will advocate for Spirit pilots and JB ALPA will do the same for JB pilots and then an arbitrator will decide.

That will be the main driver and then any growth or contraction the combined company makes to the size of those bases or any other existing or new bases will play a factor as well

jcool734

Since both are Alpa they have already started joint committee's doing surveys. if they weren't both weren't alpa it would be a mess but since it both alpa integration should just be hire date, if have same hire date goes off social or birthday. as well as a 3-5 year fence of some sort. After the court rules I would think Alpa would present both groups a JCBA and then everyone should get a raise then another CBA when the transactions and merger is completely done.

Excargodog

The most recent merger - Alaska and Virgin America - ended up 60% longevity, 40% status/category.

Desdi

This must be your first merger!

Tornado875

While we are dreaming, can we just staple all the Spirit pilots to the bottom of our seniority list?

Pilotair

Does that mean some junior CA’s were slotted above some senior FO’s?

usmc-sgt

That always happens in a merger unless they are from the same list. No pilot can leap frog another pilot on their own list.

Folks often don’t realize that your position doesn’t mean anything as well. For easy math, if spirit has 1000 pilots with 500 captains and 500 fos, the top 500 are integrated as Airbus captains whether they are or aren’t. Same for the bottom 500, even those in the left seat will be considered FOs for integration purposes.

sailingfun

Couple of things about this thread. First everyone needs to read ALPA merger policy. Seniority integrations almost never go DOH.
The process is also laid out. A constructive date of merger is established. Usually the day of the public announcement of a merger agreement. Anyone hired after that date will be DOH. Before that date it will be ALPA merger policy. The next step is to Stovepipe each seniority list. Each pilot on both lists are assigned an aircraft and seat based on what they would hold if every pilot at the airline occupied the highest paying position possible. This is the list each airline will use to argue how the combined list should be integrated under ALPA policy. Negotiations will occur and when no agreement is reached it will go to binding arbitration. The arbitrators are then required to use ALPA merger policy to construct a combined list.
The new policy states that the factors that must be considered in constructing a fair and equitable integrated seniority list, in no particular order and with no particular weight, now include but are not limited to career expectations, longevity, and status and category.
Status and Category refers to what you hold on the stovepiped list not what you actually hold.

ftaba1

thanks for a simple explanation! Curious what happens to those bypassing upgrade for various reasons? Are they given a choice to bid for upgrade at the merger/SLI completion?