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AYLflyer 02-13-2024 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Mikeer50 (Post 3768316)
I think everyone’s reaction is based on a HUGE amount of emotion at this point. Yes, this could be a disaster for JetBlue, but it’s way too early to know. Looking back at what happened to TWA almost 40 years ago isn’t completely fair. The companies themselves are different, the economic environment is different, the political environment is different, and the laws are different. The only thing that is exactly the same is that TWA and JetBlue are both airlines (hence the emotion). The fact that TWA happened should open everyone’s eyes to the possibilities. I think over the next few months, when the emotion cools off and people find their heads we will learn more. Definitely NOT the news I wanted to see, but nothing we can do about it right now.

And that Icahn is still a slimeball billionaire who only cares about making money and nothing else. That's why we're worried.

Wasntme 02-13-2024 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 3768260)
It's getting real hard after all the bad news.

Unprofitable, shrinking/pullback, merger denied, and now this. I try to be glass half full but honestly, I'm at the point where I'm updating the logbook (gonna take a while). I have decent seniority here and want to work here, but reading and hearing stories about him and TWA are terrifying. This is just another place he can get money out of and then move on, leaving us broke or jobless. In this case, I'm not willing to "take a breath" while people like him swoop in.


bumpy roads lead to beautiful places.

Wasntme 02-13-2024 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by DrSmacFum (Post 3768294)
How much power will one voice on a board of several have (if hes even given a seat at the table)?



At 87 years old, is Icahn actually running the show of "icahn enterprises" or is he just the face at this point?

Excuse my naivety


his son has taken over. Carl I believe has emeritus status.

Wasntme 02-13-2024 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by PSU Flyer (Post 3768310)
I hope you’re right. It’s tough to take a breath with so much on the line. I don’t know anything about the companies you quoted above, but isn’t the Tropicana in Vegas being torn down next year? I’m sure the senior hotel managers, dealers, etc aren’t excited to go sell beer in the stands at the new ballpark. Sometimes what’s good for some people is bad for others. Hopefully this is just much ado about nothing.

he exited that investment in 2018.

Wasntme 02-13-2024 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by gottagetout (Post 3768284)
What exactly are the right decisions the company is making? They haven’t specified any kind of plan b other than saying we must return to profitability.


you must be kidding or not paying attention. Didn’t you see that the very first thing we did was double down on culture? Keep up!

Mikeer50 02-13-2024 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by AYLflyer (Post 3768324)
And that Icahn is still a slimeball billionaire who only cares about making money and nothing else. That's why we're worried.

100%!! His character and motives aren’t in question. I wouldn’t expect him to invest hundreds of millions of dollars without wanting to make money. It’s how he makes that money that is at issue. This time around everyone’s eyes are open and he won’t be surprising anyone. At least we know not to believe anything that he says. He might destroy/breakup/pillage JetBlue, but at least unlike TWA we will see it coming. There’s really nothing else we can do at this point.

cantankerous 02-13-2024 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Mikeer50 (Post 3768350)
100%!! His character and motives aren’t in question. I wouldn’t expect him to invest hundreds of millions of dollars without wanting to make money. It’s how he makes that money that is at issue. This time around everyone’s eyes are open and he won’t be surprising anyone. At least we know not to believe anything that he says. He might destroy/breakup/pillage JetBlue, but at least unlike TWA we will see it coming. There’s really nothing else we can do at this point.

Joanna had a busy first day, but I guess with all of this I'm glad she's a lawyer.

Bluedriver 02-13-2024 09:15 AM

Encourage all employees to hold on to all of their shares? Including the next CSPP.

Drop in the bucket, but at least it's something. And if he wants to pay dividends or drive up the share price, at least some of the employees will be holding the shares.

C11DCA 02-13-2024 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Wasntme (Post 3768256)
I don’t think so, it was more of a,”hey look, someone else agrees”.

The bottom line is Ichan sees value in JB, even if he gets a board seat it doesn’t mean he will sell it off but by bit. He don’t do it with eBay, he didn’t do it with Tropicana Casinos and he’s not doing it with the companies he currently has board seats and controlling interest in.

TWA was a mess, and TWA ALPA brought Icahn in! these are not the same times or the same situations.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1985/...rd-with-icahn/


Maybe everyone take a breath. Including me.

Did you read the article?

Icahn was better then the other option which was Lorenzo and Texas Air Corp. He was still an unknown as far as what he would do to the airline and thus the employees. A white knight so to speak.

Dorp 02-13-2024 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by C11DCA (Post 3768360)
Did you read the article?

Icahn was better than the other option which was Lorenzo and Texas Air Corp. He was still an unknown as far as what he would do to the airline and thus the employees. A white knight so to speak.

More like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Lorenzo OTOH was a bonafide bottle of poison.


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