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Bluediver 04-04-2024 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3788959)
Then we create it.

Let us know how that goes.

I was inverted 04-04-2024 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3788595)
yup we have almost no real leverage right now.

hope this is a good lesson for everyone (including B6ALPA) to never assume you’re going to get them next time when you get a garbage CBA extension that fixes none of the glaring holes in the contract. Told my reps this would happen. When they didn’t have enough applicants a year or two ago to fill the hiring need to even cover attrition, they needed it more than the pilots. That’s leverage. “Nah, done deal. JCBA and the keys to single operating certificate is the real key to all the leverage.” And they still won’t admit they were wrong

Halon1211 04-04-2024 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3788959)
Then we create it.


https://www.bigtoolstore.com/LEVERAGE-BAR-KEY77349-5690/

this might help you guys out…

if it’s not enough they have another one with more leverage.

Bluediver 04-05-2024 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3788993)
https://www.bigtoolstore.com/LEVERAGE-BAR-KEY77349-5690/

this might help you guys out…

if it’s not enough they have another one with more leverage.

Did you get one for your own house of cards?

pilotpayne 04-05-2024 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3789034)
Did you get one for your own house of cards?

oh it looks like he is folding those and trying to go to AA

pilotpayne 04-05-2024 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3788959)
Then we create it.


hey I love using all of the runway or taxing at a safe speed. But with Carl here looking at our CEO I doubt she is in a hurry to do anything especially with the snap up. Probably why the company went with that, it buys them time. Let's just say the back pay/ bonus clause is going to be VERY important. VERY

Desdi 04-05-2024 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 3789094)
hey I love using all of the runway or taxing at a safe speed. But with Carl here looking at our CEO I doubt she is in a hurry to do anything especially with the snap up. Probably why the company went with that, it buys them time. Let's just say the back pay/ bonus clause is going to be VERY important. VERY

Dont put it past our group to be sold on an incremental payraise for some LOA down the road not realizing they are being bribed by the very money they would've gotten anyways in the back pay/ bonus in CBA 2

I was inverted 04-05-2024 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3789120)
Dont put it past our group to be sold on an incremental payraise for some LOA down the road not realizing they are being bribed by the very money they would've gotten anyways in the back pay/ bonus in CBA 2

Full back pay / retro / and/or otherwise decent signing bonus is a foreign concept to this pilot group and B6ALPA. My reps disagreed every time I discussed it with them, discounting its importance and asking what I was willing to give up for it. Not getting my hopes up that anything will change next time…been there done that. But I’ll continue to shout out the importance of it every chance I get…probably just wasting my breath though.

MergingTargets 04-06-2024 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3788985)
hope this is a good lesson for everyone (including B6ALPA) to never assume you’re going to get them next time when you get a garbage CBA extension that fixes none of the glaring holes in the contract. Told my reps this would happen. When they didn’t have enough applicants a year or two ago to fill the hiring need to even cover attrition, they needed it more than the pilots. That’s leverage. “Nah, done deal. JCBA and the keys to single operating certificate is the real key to all the leverage.” And they still won’t admit they were wrong

I'm sorry, would you rather be making $25 an hour less right now with no other changes? At least we got the adjustment and snap-up before the "profitability focus" and Carl got involved.

I was inverted 04-06-2024 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by MergingTargets (Post 3789586)
I'm sorry, would you rather be making $25 an hour less right now with no other changes? At least we got the adjustment and snap-up before the "profitability focus" and Carl got involved.

^^^^see? Your type is the problem with the B6 pilot group and union, and is all too pervasive. Thanks for making my point.

There is zero chance the company would have been able to weather the attrition/lack of applicants storm without a raise. You clearly can’t comprehend the “they needed it more than the pilots” part of the equation. To assume that B6 pilots would still be making $25 less is beyond asinine. Hope you enjoy your sht contract for the next 4-6 years. Especially those beautiful reserve grid(s)that lineholders didn’t realize would affect them too. Keep voting yes to the first turd you see though. Especially if there’s some fear put out by the union that you can’t get anything more now, it’ll take a couple years and there’s too much risk to say no to ask for more, and that you’ll get them next time.


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